I'm surprised there hasn't been a reference to the Democrats refusing to save CHIP yet. Pretty disgusting for them to deprive children of the health insurance the Republicans have been tirelessly trying to restore.

OBAMA!

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I honestly think that government employees deemed non-essential during a shutdown are probably employees who are non-essential when the government is not shut down and should see their roles eliminated accordingly.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

The NYT and AP headlines are both framing this as a Senate Dem induced shutdown. I don't think this is going to play as well as Chuckie thought it would. I won't be surprised if this game costs them the chance to flip the House and costs them a few Senate seats in deep red states

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Republicans controlled congress then. Now they control congress and the WH. We need presidential leadership. Everyone is still waiting for him to pick a side. His instincts takes him the moderate way and then the far right gets in his ear and he does a 180.

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GO BEARS!!!

Could you (not literally you) do that today?

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This is not how the Dems wanted the narrative to go:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/us/p ... trump.html

It's hilarious watching all of the blue checkmark retards on Twitter bitch at the NYT for accurately telling what happened and not trying to push their narrative.

This will be a pretty short shutdown as the Dems will quickly realize they've lost the narrative. Cutting CHIP to save DACA is not a winning hand.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

It's happened a few times now. They need to lock the doors whenever they get an agreement with him because Nazi Miller and the far right always get him to change his mind.

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That’s just dumb. Essential is not the same as useful. Essential employees take vacation and the company survives. That doesn’t mean they’re not important.

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Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.- JD Vance
If you committed violence on that day, obviously, you shouldn’t be pardoned.- JD Vance on the J-6 insurrectionists

Most of the services you enjoy from government come from your state and local governments, not the Fed. The Federal government is one giant welfare queen, siphoning funds from people who actually work for a living. We should seriously start cutting it down to size. Seriously, we are now spending over double the amount we spent at the beginning of the Bush Administration. That far outpaces the average inflation rate of 2.02% per year during that same period (2001-2017). Most of that growth has been nothing more than a fucking waste of our money.

Just some stats to back up my point

2001 US Federal spending:
$1.863 trillion
2017 US Federal Spending
$4.147 trillion

Fuck the federal government.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

And how much of that is from the crowd that had said that defcits don't matter over the last 37 years years when a sniveling republican was in residence? And had to cover interest payments

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This period I cited covers both the Bush and Obama presidencies. Each them left office with a national debt that was approximately double what it was when they had entered so there is your answer. Neither party gives a damn about the national debt or out of control spending. They give it lip service when convenient, but when it's time to act they both spend like drunken sailors.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Obama oversaw the recovery from which federal spending was necessary and put the costs of the middle East catastrophes on the books, which his juvenile predecessor played parlor games with to soothe his bullshit supporters looking to embrace a whopping lie

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Oh shit, what if we can't have a flyover during the Super Bowl?!?!?

We need to disarm and sanction the United States before they hurt other countries that still have a chance.

First post best post

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Yeah, there's plenty of cynical politics on both sides of the aisle. Republicans didn't give a shit about CHIP for six months and now they want to hang it on Democrats.

We'll see how the media plays this, but I'm not sure how the average American is going to see shutting his government down because the Democratic party wants to look out for foreign nationals that are here illegally. And I do think most people can sympathize with the "Dreamers" but the Democrats make it obvious that their interests go far beyond that and that the last thing they want is a tight border or any controls on immigration.

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It seems to me that the only people in favor of the shutdown are Trump (who called FOR it months ago) and the hypocritical drains on society that spent $100k for his circle jerk in his gilded Florida outhouse.

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Fukin libtards. This is what hapens when they control everytin accept the white hose senate and congres.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Are you somehow under the impression that the Republicans somehow don't have interests that go far beyond those things?

I'm actually starting to get the impession that you don't know how to read.

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Forgive me if I find that post rather akin to pittmike's performance in this thread. The usual both sides are so darn cynical complaint followed immediately by opprobrium for the Democrats specifically and their darn hidden interests on immigration policy. And of course the framing that they're the ones shutting down government when the Republicans weren't close to unified in the Senate anyway.

Hey libtard. If u're party stoped obstructng thene maybe shit could get done. Instead u got mconel and Graham and McCain and Jeff flake shiting on the prez everyday and influecning they're colleagues to say no to Trump. Fukin libtards.

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You're obviously speaking from your mistaken impression of my beliefs rather than based on anything I actually wrote or have ever wrote.

It's a simple fact that shutting down the government based on what appears to be concern for people who are here illegally probably isn't going to play well outside a few sanctuary cities.

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Outside of the sanctuary cities, MANY like to think of themselves as family values voters. Fucking over 700-800k people who have lived here well and contributed to this country should cause them shame. Or at least pangs of conscience.

But it won't because of...

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I guess 80%+ of people polled only want them to stay here in theory.

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That's all well and good, and as I said, I think most Americans sympathize with them, but there really shouldn't be opposition to protecting the borders.

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Schumer agreed to put Trump's request for (edit: just that) 1.8 billion into the deal. But MANY of the alternative facts crowd ignore that

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