It's both.

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Yea, that's it. They just need to work harder.

The eye test on offense shows enough talent to be 15-20th in NFL. The offense also sucked ass with Daniel. This puts most of the blame on Nagy. Of course the goal should be elite not average, so you are going to need better QB play to get there.

And i accept your blame.

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You better believe these guys find themselves on a veteran (or even rookie) contract and just stop trying as hard as they did before. Its not college, the team is not going to force you work out and train year-round. There's an expectation that the player themselves will take ownership of their career.

Too much scrutiny and emphasis is put on GM's now, especially in football where there is just so much variance and the coach has such a monumental impact. I believe Pace has gone pretty well by the book in rebuilding the Bears from what really was a disaster with Phil Emery (who always seemed to do the "different" thing just for the sake of being different). He's made mistakes, a few picks and signings haven't worked out, but overall he has put together rosters that should be competitive while contending with the realities of a salary cap league. He's certainly not the problem.

I'm not the one touting former pro bowl o linemen, predicting super bowl participation, believing in an offense based on gimmicks or expecting dozens of points being scored on defense again.

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The league figured out the Nagy offense by week ten of 2018 yet here he is still running these same fucking plays over and over. If you want to get after Pace for one thing its going to be his refusing to acknowledge the truth that the head coach he hired is not capable. Its one thing to give the guy a chance and for it not to work out, its another to stick with him when its obvious he cant do the job.

I know you're not nas. I know yall dont look the same. Shit.
Look you like pink floyd and for that we'll always be brothers on one kind but I cant think of one guy here who was down with no plays for starters this preseason. I don't know who was touting o linemen. We did expect more of the defense that is true.

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I don't know if I want the Packers or Saints to lose more. Thanks RR!

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GO BEARS!!!

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Its not preposterous to say that Leno Jr.'s lack of work ethic contributed to his rash of penalties which killed so many Bears drives this year that they can be almost singularly blamed for being the different in at least one loss. Or that Burton went totally soft.

There's a human element to sports that is no less prevalent and important than it was twenty years ago but is now being shrugged aside as unimportant.

Nagy


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky























Everything else.

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After the last two playoff disasters, I'm numb.

And bitter. Very bitter.

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When the best player on the team takes entire games off it sets a bad precedent when it comes to work ethic.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

you definitely are bitter. At least you can admit it.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Pace:
- At least four mistakes at TE since he arrived.
- Didn't get a high quality LT to protect his young QB.
- Made the wrong choice with selecting Mitch

Nagy:
- Doesn't know how to adjust the offense to counter what good defenses have done for the last season and a half
- Keeps on calling screens as if Dennis Gentry is going to show up as the RB in the shotgun
- Can't figure out how to run an offenses to play towards Mitch's few demonstrable strengths.

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To me it’s without a doubt the offensive line. If you want to say that’s Pace that’s fine.

A coach can’t implement his game plan if the team can’t block for it and every QB in the league is significantly worse when they have a shitty offensive line in front of them.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

But that's when Mitchell should've recognized not to be a statue for as long as he did.

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2015 1st Round - WR Kevin White (7th overall)
2016 1st Round - OLB Leonard Floyd (9th overall)
2017 1st Round - QB Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky (2nd overall)
2018 1st Round - LB Roquan Smith (8th overall)

Time will tell on Roquan Smith. Sometimes he's really good. Outside of that....good GM's don't miss on first round picks. Pace fucking sucks.

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100% with you on this. That was easily my first vote.

It gets harder because of Pace being included. You could blame Pace for all of the other options, depending on how you interpret the question. Nagy is a little bit more of a concrete answer because you can see what he is doing this year, but he is somewhat limited by the actions that Pace did to set him up.

Ultimately, my second vote went to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. New Zealand may love him, and I do understand he is not on a great offense by any stretch, but the mistakes he is making are being repeated week after week. I have not seen any growth this season for him. Next year, he should enter a "competition" for the QB position with us picking up a free agent guy to bridge until our next 1st round stab at QB. We should focus this year on getting rid of Leno (and you can add a few more OLs if you'd like) so that when you get the new QB he is good. You need a TE to dump off to. This offense is AR or nothing.

I really don't know what to make of the run game other than I will blame the OL again for it. Montgomery is an unknown quantity, but Cohen went to shit this year. Playcalling may be part of it, but it can't be all of it. The thing I dread the most is that when the offense comes into form, the defense has aged out. Kwiatkowski is one of the bright spots of the year for this team... I like having the depth there.

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Floyd and Roquan are hits. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky the jury is out.

I swear the guy heard his coach say he wanted him to be a pocket passer and he stopped instinctively running. I don't want to call him Forrest Gump but he tried to please his coach by speaking like him and doing exactly what he says. Someone finally got in his ear and convinced him to stop it.

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Yes, that seems most likely. Hopefully it was Nagy.

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I think Mitch's balls dropped.

It was good to see. I love hearing him with an edge.

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It's Nagy number #1

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't good. But a good coach would have gotten 3 more wins out of him with this defense. That would be 11 wins. Thus a playoff birth with no chance of winning a Super Bowl. But still a playoff birth.

Nagy just fucked up the game plans.

I still feel what happened is that there was zero film Nagy's on offense going into last year and he took advantage of that with a top 3 Defense. This season, the league had 17 games on film and they caught up to what he was doing (not to mention the defense stopped getting into the endzone). If Nagy can adjust both his game plan and his arrogance, going forward this can be a very competitive team (regardless of the QB-an above average veteran QB could suffice) because of his defense.

Everyone Pace has traded up for to draft has been a disappointment:

1) Floyd--just a guy
2) Trubisky--might eventually develop into an above average starter
3) Miller--mentally challenged, brittle
4) Montgomery--should be pretty good behind a competent line

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Nagy doesn't have a game plan.

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Also, if Pace hit on White, Grasu, and Shaheen, and those three guys were competent NFL starters-- not even stars just good, starting caliber players-- he would have been able to focus on other areas of the team. Since those three were resounding busts, Pace had to bring in and pay WRs, bring in and pay Burton, and bring in and draft other O-Linemen. And the OLine is still a mess, they have no TE, and as good as Robinson is they still don't have a WR who can take the top off the defense.

While Pace has indeed made some very good picks on the defensive side of the ball, his misses on offense along with trading up to take offensive guys is what is continuing to hamstring this team.

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