I watched my dad almost get laid off for 30 years and his company almost get sold for 30 years.

The younger generations are going to view work the same way companies have viewed employees.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Interesting.

I don't see why they wouldn't.

The funny thing is employers try to guilt you into staying (or even worse with the non-compete nonsense). Was leaving a part-time teaching gig five years ago at a local high school (they were really counting on me to come back, and I would have loved to have been able to help them out, because the kids were pretty great), and the principal said, "I see you have joined the other job-hoppers who are killing this country."

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On a part time job he bleated that?

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If it makes you feel better, transgenders have replaced you as what is now killing the country.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yeah, I think he was more frustrated with the 26 year-olds who were leaving than me, but he said it. As you well know, getting quality teachers in Catholic or private schools can be hard.

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Liberals like Nas enabled this. Just sayin'.

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MANY towns in New England have virtually no residents under the age of 45. The youth have all migrated to Boston, Worcester, Portland, Burlington, Hartford, Providence, and Portsmouth. The rest of the region is suffering from massive labor shortages and appears to be existing on life support.

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I'm sure you meant the above in jest, but it's true that neoliberals like Nas have enabled this to maintain the fiction that our economy is a meritocracy. They care about the transgendered not for their value as humans, but for their symbolic value in validating inequity in the name of equity.

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Thank the Lord for that.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Good ole Haaahhhtford. RIP Whalers

I'm sure Nas has that covered while kneeling before his shrine to St. Joseph of MBNA and reading from the gospel of lowered expectations.

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Are you confusing Nas with the owner of Hobby Lobby?

Either way, He gets us.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Your trolling here is wholly unbelievable Brick.

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It is interesting that you picked up on this. I stopped debating him on education matters because it is clear no objective data is enough to convince him of the inferiority of our public education system to top performing countries like Finland. It is certainly a case of very low expectations for our children.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Ended up not being a pay increase. So I passed.

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When you presented your clear objective data on the above did you even mention childhood poverty rates, or did you conveniently ignore that. Not for nothing, but Finland childhood poverty rate = 2%, the United States = 18%. I'd suggest trying to normalize education data to adjust for educating probably 40-60% of the students in the US public education system being in poverty. Once you do that I think you'll be less critical of the US public education system.

Either that, or you can argue that childhood poverty doesn't have any impact on educating a child, and if that's your position, you are either (a) stupid (b) a liar or (c) both.

RIP.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Great point.

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Excellently put!

And @Brick

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

The Finland school profiled in the book was 70% immigrant mainly from the Middle East and Africa. It compared favorably to the trajectory of Sweden and Denmark.

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You are telling me that a school in a country with a low childhood poverty rate (Finland) compared favorably to a school in another country with a low poverty rate (Denmark)?

Color me unsurprised. Concentrated childhood poverty in education presents enormous challenges. The higher your poverty rate, and the more concentrated the poverty into a school or a district, the more difficult educating a child will be.

More or less the Houston Independent School District has, depending on the measurement, 70% of its students economically disadvantaged. Schools here fight and claw, and pray to receive free school breakfast. Why is that? Essentially because something as simple as not showing up to your first class hungry does wonders for a child's ability to learn, participate, and develop educationally.

There are valid criticisms of the current US education system on the local, state and federal level. There definitely are areas for improvement across the spectrum. That said, just comparing the poverty concentrated US public education system to the Finnish public education system that only needs to educate 2% of students in poverty as a means to condemn the entire US public education system is just willfully ignorant of what challenges the US public education system faces on a demographic level compared to a country like Finland.

This has been discussed on here plenty of times but it doesn't matter and never will. Not with this crowd anyway. And I do believe that Denis's heart (unlike MANY around here) is in the right place and he is generally concerned about education quality.
The main indicator of academic achievement is income level and educational attainment level of the parents. That is what studies have shown. And Denis I'm sorry but the "challenges" that your children face academically, environmentally, and socially are not the same as those faced by children from impoverished backgrounds. They just aren't. For starters I'm fairly certain that your children have a 97% or better attendance rate. I'm also certain that your children have notebooks, bookbags, and pen and paper whenever they enter a classroom. I'm also certain that your children have winter coats whenever it's cold outside. I'm also certain that your children aren't dependent on the school lunch or breakfast just so that they can eat on that particular day. I'm fairly certain that your children will have a roof (Pulte or not) from the minute they start daycare until the day they graduate from High School or beyond. These are all "basic" things which factor into education that you take for granted that a child from an impoverished background simply cannot.
Or teachers that work in such systems either. In MANY instances "WE" have to "reward" children simply for showing up. Fuck a high test score or reading "proficiently" acclimation. We literally have to congratulate children for showing up if for no other reason to provide some semblance of hope and encouragement to them.
Those are the sort of things that don't show up in anyone's assessment of "urban education" other than those that actually teach in urban education.

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My heart is absolutely in the right place. I care deeply about this country and all its children.

I believe we owe those children a great education and set high expectations for the greatest country on the planet. It saddens me that many around here make excuses for our short comings.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

What are the bullet points of success for this particular school?

And I'm sad as someone that has done the work that the solution never seems for some to amount to anything other than "blame the teachers" all the time. They tried that already and it was a flop because they realized that teachers are nowhere near the biggest problem with education. There are bad teachers in the system just as there are bad employees in ANY system. Education is no different. However there are other factors besides simply " quality of instruction" that are never taken account.

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The book is the Smartest Kids in the World. In the 70’s, Finland revamped its education system. They prioritized the teaching profession like we treat doctors. They only accepted high performing students into education and paid accordingly. In the U.S. the lowest ACT score major is education. It is the easiest degree to achieve.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

My question was about a particular school....that you brought up. Was the entire book about this school?

Factors such as this are never discussed however.

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of 130 countries and territories shows that the U.S. has the world's highest rate of children living in single-parent households. “Almost a quarter of U.S. children under the age of 18 live with one parent and no other adults (23%), more than three times the share of children around the world who do so (7%)

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In Finland the % of households headed by a single parent is nearly double that of the worldwide average and yet they are still able to have one of the best educational systems in the world nonetheless. Hmmm and rather interesting in fact.

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