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I would say there's a meaningful distinction between rapid transit and intercity rail (as well as commuter rail in the middle). They serve different purposes, have different usage patterns. What's particularly impressive about the Moscow Metro is that these are all train platforms, not separate waiting rooms. Even the nice, photogenic part of Union Station is across the street from the functional half of the building, which is a rabbit warren of halls and half-floors that I always seemed to take a wrong turn in no matter how many times I went there.
I'm no expert on Moscow trains so this is mostly from wikipedia but the Moscow Metro has multiple routes going about 50 miles out. Metra has a line that goes out 63 miles but almost all of it is less than 50. Aurora, on the busiest line, is only 37 miles.

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As for Chicago, the North Side L stations are generally nice to look at and stand at. The Kimball subway is fine, the State and Dearborn subways could be better, and the expressway branches are the most miserable experiences of all. Most of the Metra Electric is an atrocity.
An outdoor train stop is always going to look worse than what is pictured at the top. It would be interesting to see some pictures of outdoor train stops in and around Moscow to see if they are as glorious as these pictures look.

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Not as glorious as Moscow and maybe it has gotten worse since the last time I was there (2019) but I always found Washington DC metro to be clean and quiet.

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Yeah, I visited DC around the same time, too, and I used the Metro to get around. Good system. I agree that passenger conduct was good, but then they've always run a notoriously tight ship there.

I think what works in their favor on multiple fronts is that basically the whole thing was built at once in the not-too-distant past, so they didn't have to worry about inheriting clunky 19th-century infrastructure and they've had a zero-tolerance standard for misconduct from day one. Not a fan of the brutalist architecture everywhere or having to pay exit fares, but at least it doesn't smell like weed and no one's screaming at each other.

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https://st2.depositphotos.com/1010122/7 ... vokzal.jpg
This is one of their outdoor stations, I think for one of the commuter lines ("diameters," they seem to call them). Looks a little like the palace in St. Petersburg.


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Here's one of the few above-ground platforms, which seems to be new construction. Honestly, looks like the Yellow Line here. Nothing special, one could do worse.

The above-ground entrance building for a station:
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Driving down the Kennedy with my mom we saw a guy just drop trou and take a shit on the platform at Montrose. Classic moment.


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I'd also mention that a major annoyance – that can't just be blamed on unhoused people who don't have access to bathrooms – is people using CTA carriages, platforms, and elevators as lavatories. That's a major problem for wheelchair users who have to deal with unsanitary lifts. We could address it by opening public restrooms at rapid transit stations, which is common in more transit-friendly countries.

It goes without saying that CTA riders from all walks of life would do well to put into practice a transit application of the Golden Rule. Everyone would benefit from the increased implementation of basic Midwestern values like neighborliness and conscientiousness. We can all contribute by making small efforts on our own part.

So let other riders get off the bus or train before you try to get on. Don’t walk the aisles jostling other passengers with a bulky backpack. After sitting down, don’t take up the empty seat next to you with your bags and other belongings. Get yourself a set of earbuds or headphones, and wear them when you watch YouTube videos or play your favorite tunes. Maybe wait until you get home to chow down on that delicious Harold’s takeout, rather than leaving piles of gnawed chicken bones strewn across the train seats. And guys – stop manspreading, for Pete’s sake.


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https://st2.depositphotos.com/1010122/7951/i/450/depositphotos_79512670-stock-photo-rizhsky-railway-station-rizhsky-vokzal.jpg
This is one of their outdoor stations, I think for one of the commuter lines ("diameters," they seem to call them). Looks a little like the palace in St. Petersburg.
It looks like that station is like 120 years old though. We built similar things obviously with a different style.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Springfield%2C_IL_Union_Station_%283827212437%29.jpg/1280px-Springfield%2C_IL_Union_Station_%283827212437%29.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Illinois_Central_Railroad_Depot_%285999275584%29.jpg

I agree that many of these building look great in Russia. I just think your world view is skewed based on the stations you use every day while getting a small glimpse of the very best of another country. It would be like some guy in Germany seeing pictures of the Statue Of Liberty, the Empire State Building, and the Brookyln Bridge and thinking a guy from Mokena is living that way.

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another problem with chicago is that the network is based on a hub and spoke pattern. what if you want to go from logan square to edgewater? take a 45-60 minute car ride. or multiple buses. Europoor cities are good at making sure you're never further than a 10 minute walk from a train or tram.


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another problem with chicago is that the network is based on a hub and spoke pattern. what if you want to go from logan square to edgewater? take a 45-60 minute car ride. or multiple buses. Europoor cities are good at making sure you're never further than a 10 minute walk from a train or tram.

It will be nice when trains go away for self driving cars. Maybe use the same land.

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another problem with chicago is that the network is based on a hub and spoke pattern. what if you want to go from logan square to edgewater? take a 45-60 minute car ride. or multiple buses. Europoor cities are good at making sure you're never further than a 10 minute walk from a train or tram.

The system of running buses on every half-mile road would be ingenious if it didn't stop every 200 feet. Speaking of Edgewater, I was to take the Lawrence bus from the Jeff Park station to Lawrence/Clark. After puttering through Little Ecuador for what felt like an hour, I just got off at Damen and walked the rest of the way. It was nice enough out. I probably saved a minute. God forbid some of these fatasses walk to the closest quarter-mile road.

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It will be nice when trains go away for self driving cars. Maybe use the same land.

What's the joke about how optimizing any system for maximum efficiency yields either a train or a crab?

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Russia is evil. Putin apologist!


I don't believe this at all. It's all propaganda. Russia does things in the interest of Russia. There might be corruption, but at least Putin is for a strong Russia. I can't blame them for that. And when you have the U.S. and Nato on your boundaries engaging in a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine, I can fully understand why Russia is pissed off. It would be like Canada being our adversary while being backed by Russia with Russian weapons. We wouldn't stand for that either.

Whereas in the U.S., one of the major political parties trying to destroy America from within their gay, liberal, atheist, satanic agenda. All the public Universities in the U.S. are governed by these satanic people---Luciferians. They need to be thrown out or jailed for the sake of the country and the youth that they brainwash.

I've never been to Russia or seen their metro. But I have seen the Paris metro. It's pretty cool. No graffiti either.


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Rod wrote:
Russia is evil. Putin apologist!


I don't believe this at all. It's all propaganda. Russia does things in the interest of Russia. There might be corruption, but at least Putin is for a strong Russia. I can't blame them for that. And when you have the U.S. and Nato on your boundaries engaging in a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine, I can fully understand why Russia is pissed off. It would be like Canada being our adversary while being backed by Russia with Russian weapons. We wouldn't stand for that either.

Whereas in the U.S., one of the major political parties trying to destroy America from within their gay, liberal, atheist, satanic agenda. All the public Universities in the U.S. are governed by these satanic people---Luciferians. They need to be thrown out or jailed for the sake of the country and the youth that they brainwash.

I've never been to Russia or seen their metro. But I have seen the Paris metro. It's pretty cool. No graffiti either.


Russia has tried several forms of government and all have devolved into the most brutal oppression against the people. Externally, they have raped and pillaged every neighbor they have had for almost 1,000 years. I'm sure the common Russian is a fine person but there is something about the Russian ethos is, essentially, to see how much and how quickly you can get over on your neighbor.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
Rod wrote:
Russia is evil. Putin apologist!


I don't believe this at all. It's all propaganda. Russia does things in the interest of Russia. There might be corruption, but at least Putin is for a strong Russia. I can't blame them for that. And when you have the U.S. and Nato on your boundaries engaging in a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine, I can fully understand why Russia is pissed off. It would be like Canada being our adversary while being backed by Russia with Russian weapons. We wouldn't stand for that either.

Whereas in the U.S., one of the major political parties trying to destroy America from within their gay, liberal, atheist, satanic agenda. All the public Universities in the U.S. are governed by these satanic people---Luciferians. They need to be thrown out or jailed for the sake of the country and the youth that they brainwash.

I've never been to Russia or seen their metro. But I have seen the Paris metro. It's pretty cool. No graffiti either.


Russia has tried several forms of government and all have devolved into the most brutal oppression against the people. Externally, they have raped and pillaged every neighbor they have had for almost 1,000 years. I'm sure the common Russian is a fine person but there is something about the Russian ethos is, essentially, to see how much and how quickly you can get over on your neighbor.

There is a reason why Russians hate NATO. It's literally a meaningless alliance unless the goal is to attack a neighbor.

As time goes on, I assume the idea that the Baltic states should be part of Russia will lessen but most adults in Russia have been alive during a time in which the USSR existed.

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most adults in Russia have been alive during a time in which the USSR existed


And Russia's making sure as many of the ones that weren't alive when the USSR existed are becoming unalived while fighting in Ukraine.


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Brick wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Rod wrote:
Russia is evil. Putin apologist!


I don't believe this at all. It's all propaganda. Russia does things in the interest of Russia. There might be corruption, but at least Putin is for a strong Russia. I can't blame them for that. And when you have the U.S. and Nato on your boundaries engaging in a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine, I can fully understand why Russia is pissed off. It would be like Canada being our adversary while being backed by Russia with Russian weapons. We wouldn't stand for that either.

Whereas in the U.S., one of the major political parties trying to destroy America from within their gay, liberal, atheist, satanic agenda. All the public Universities in the U.S. are governed by these satanic people---Luciferians. They need to be thrown out or jailed for the sake of the country and the youth that they brainwash.

I've never been to Russia or seen their metro. But I have seen the Paris metro. It's pretty cool. No graffiti either.


Russia has tried several forms of government and all have devolved into the most brutal oppression against the people. Externally, they have raped and pillaged every neighbor they have had for almost 1,000 years. I'm sure the common Russian is a fine person but there is something about the Russian ethos is, essentially, to see how much and how quickly you can get over on your neighbor.

There is a reason why Russians hate NATO. It's literally a meaningless alliance unless the goal is to attack a neighbor.

As time goes on, I assume the idea that the Baltic states should be part of Russia will lessen but most adults in Russia have been alive during a time in which the USSR existed.


What do you think Russia would do if it surrounded another county's province like Kaliningrad? Not a chance in the world a place like that would survive. But Kaliningrad sits there peacefully with less war like neighbors.

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As time goes on, I assume the idea that the Baltic states should be part of Russia will lessen but most adults in Russia have been alive during a time in which the USSR existed.

How widespread is this belief? The Baltic states are in NATO and have been for years, which I'd take as a concession that that's all settled. It's not like they're Slavic peoples with centuries of history with Russia. It'd be like yearning to get Armenia back.

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Externally, they have raped and pillaged every neighbor they have had for almost 1,000 years.


The U.S. has only been doing so for about 60 years.

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Externally, they have raped and pillaged every neighbor they have had for almost 1,000 years.


The U.S. has only been doing so for about 60 years.


Mexico and Canada exist, correct?

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As time goes on, I assume the idea that the Baltic states should be part of Russia will lessen but most adults in Russia have been alive during a time in which the USSR existed.

How widespread is this belief? The Baltic states are in NATO and have been for years, which I'd take as a concession that that's all settled. It's not like they're Slavic peoples with centuries of history with Russia. It'd be like yearning to get Armenia back.

I'm guessing it's pretty widespread among the older Russians who lived in the time in which Russia bordered half of Germany and they controlled the other half of Germany.

I'd also say that 33 years isn't exactly a long time in the history of Russian aggression against it's neighbors given they've pretty much destroyed a neighbor in the past few years and complain constantly about an organization that literally exists in name only unless Russia decides to invade those Baltic states.

I'd almost believe it if Russia was a good neighbor to the Baltic states since then that they've come to the realization that a millennium of attacking their neighbors, taking their land, and sending people to Siberia to die is bad.

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What do you think Russia would do if it surrounded another county's province like Kaliningrad? Not a chance in the world a place like that would survive. But Kaliningrad sits there peacefully with less war like neighbors.

Right, because if Poland and Lithuania antagonized a Russian garrison town, it would probably end poorly.

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What do you think Russia would do if it surrounded another county's province like Kaliningrad? Not a chance in the world a place like that would survive. But Kaliningrad sits there peacefully with less war like neighbors.

Right, because if Poland and Lithuania antagonized a Russian garrison town, it would probably end poorly.

Yeah, only Russia gets to antagonize their neighbors!

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The Moscow Metro added a new line. Neat stuff happening, sort of a mid-century-modern design to some of these.

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Great public spaces that anyone could be proud of. I wish we were so lucky.

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It's a shame we cannot have nice things here.


Hey if we kept the lid on all those hippies and their mary jane cigarettes back in the day we could have nice stuff. Bow look at us.

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Two old ones, two newer ones, but they're all so striking. I like the red columns and the patterns. Aleksandrovsky Sad, the second one, looks like the little mine cart track that runs under the U.S. Capitol.

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