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What is Your Highest Level of Education
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I did not graduate from high school 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
High School Graduate 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Attended some college 19%  19%  [ 10 ]
Graduated from college 52%  52%  [ 28 ]
Hold one or more post-graduate degrees 24%  24%  [ 13 ]
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Graduated from High School, dropped out of community college. I dont like school.

FF, I have always disliked school as well. It has nothing to do with being lazy. I have another theory.
Put up a poll in this section asking people how they best learn... by reading it, by doing it, or by watching others do it. You will see that everyone learns differently. Some have to do it themselves. Some can read it and understand it.
Public schools not only completely disregard this simple, basic principle of human learning, but they force children into learning in what may be a very inefficient manner. And when you do not excel, or if a child acts out as a manifestation of frustration, you will be branded. You're a trouble maker, you're different, or the worst, you need to be medicated.
There is a fundamental flaw in our entire educational system. It's not scalable to match the potential in each student. It's all or nothing, the cookie cutter.



Wow, where to begin? More than a few general assumptions in this thing. Sounds like somebody didn't like their educational experiences, so now all schools are shit.

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Graduated from High School, dropped out of community college. I dont like school.

FF, I have always disliked school as well. It has nothing to do with being lazy. I have another theory.
Put up a poll in this section asking people how they best learn... by reading it, by doing it, or by watching others do it. You will see that everyone learns differently. Some have to do it themselves. Some can read it and understand it.
Public schools not only completely disregard this simple, basic principle of human learning, but they force children into learning in what may be a very inefficient manner. And when you do not excel, or if a child acts out as a manifestation of frustration, you will be branded. You're a trouble maker, you're different, or the worst, you need to be medicated.
There is a fundamental flaw in our entire educational system. It's not scalable to match the potential in each student. It's all or nothing, the cookie cutter.



Wow, where to begin? More than a few general assumptions in this thing. Sounds like somebody didn't like their educational experiences, so now all schools are shit.


I actually tend to agree with Darkside here


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Wow, where to begin? More than a few general assumptions in this thing. Sounds like somebody didn't like their educational experiences, so now all schools are shit.

Well spanky, I never said ALL schools were ANYTHING, did I? I put enough dumb words in my own mouth without your help.

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Graduated from High School, dropped out of community college. I dont like school.

FF, I have always disliked school as well. It has nothing to do with being lazy. I have another theory.
Put up a poll in this section asking people how they best learn... by reading it, by doing it, or by watching others do it. You will see that everyone learns differently. Some have to do it themselves. Some can read it and understand it.
Public schools not only completely disregard this simple, basic principle of human learning, but they force children into learning in what may be a very inefficient manner. And when you do not excel, or if a child acts out as a manifestation of frustration, you will be branded. You're a trouble maker, you're different, or the worst, you need to be medicated.
There is a fundamental flaw in our entire educational system. It's not scalable to match the potential in each student. It's all or nothing, the cookie cutter.



Wow, where to begin? More than a few general assumptions in this thing. Sounds like somebody didn't like their educational experiences, so now all schools are shit.


I actually tend to agree with Darkside here


I'm anxious to hear what you base these beliefs on? Statements such as the first bold one (Public schools disregard....) are a blanket statement that covers all schools? How do either of you know this? From your individual experience? I also like how people usually begin this argument with the word "public". Show me the evidence that says tuition-based schools are different? I'll be waiting on that one....
The second statement (You will be branded) sounds like it's coming from someone who feels "branded". I have had 18+ years of formal education (all at public schools) and I can't figure out what my "brand" would be?

I agree with the 3rd statement (There is a fundamental flaw...). Hopefully that can change when "W" is ranching his cattle next year....No Child Left Behind is idiotic. Most people in the field of education would agree with that. It is unrealistic and unattainable in the end. Not to mention it is an edict that comes from the federal government, yet the funding for schools that comes from the federal government is minimal. Many districts decline the federal $ in order to be able to disregard NCLB.

The basic principle of U.S. education has been, and always will be, to prepare our citizens for success in the workplace. With very few exceptions, you're going to have to do your work in a certain way, when they tell you to, where they tell you to, etc....If you don't, you will be "branded" as unsuccesful. Or as an ex-employee. I agree that all people learn in different ways, but I also feel like there are many (public) schools that teach in a variety of ways. Obviously, you feel like yours didn't.

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Wow, where to begin? More than a few general assumptions in this thing. Sounds like somebody didn't like their educational experiences, so now all schools are shit.

Well spanky, I never said ALL schools were ANYTHING, did I? I put enough dumb words in my own mouth without your help.


You're right you didn't - you just said "public schools". Am I just to decide for myself which specific schools you were chastising?

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I'm a month away, screw it, I'm saying I'm a graduate.


That's ok, IB. In most polls asking people to self-report themselves on one thing or another, many people "inflate" their responses. You at least have a valid reason.

You also are demonstrating your readiness for law school with your explanation of "Screw it, I'm saying _____(something almost, but not quite true)". You've got the lawyer spiel down already. :lol: :lol:


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Some college. Here is a stigma that I encounter all the time.
I spend more time in school than most college grads do. I can't say I have an "education". But I have certifications up the yinyang.


just like my dad...he didn't finish college but went into the trades, and he's always going to school for something new....in his field there is always something new to learn or brush up on something you haven't done for a while

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I graduated college, but it really hasn't done much for me.


In alot of cases, I agree with this also. It's a "hoop" we jump through.....

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I'm anxious to hear what you base these beliefs on? Statements such as the first bold one (Public schools disregard....) are a blanket statement that covers all schools? How do either of you know this? From your individual experience? I also like how people usually begin this argument with the word "public". Show me the evidence that says tuition-based schools are different? I'll be waiting on that one....
The second statement (You will be branded) sounds like it's coming from someone who feels "branded". I have had 18+ years of formal education (all at public schools) and I can't figure out what my "brand" would be?

I agree with the 3rd statement (There is a fundamental flaw...). Hopefully that can change when "W" is ranching his cattle next year....No Child Left Behind is idiotic. Most people in the field of education would agree with that. It is unrealistic and unattainable in the end. Not to mention it is an edict that comes from the federal government, yet the funding for schools that comes from the federal government is minimal. Many districts decline the federal $ in order to be able to disregard NCLB.

The basic principle of U.S. education has been, and always will be, to prepare our citizens for success in the workplace. With very few exceptions, you're going to have to do your work in a certain way, when they tell you to, where they tell you to, etc....If you don't, you will be "branded" as unsuccesful. Or as an ex-employee. I agree that all people learn in different ways, but I also feel like there are many (public) schools that teach in a variety of ways. Obviously, you feel like yours didn't.

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Do you want to argue semantics? You really think I meant every single individual public school and teacher? No. I have not visited each classroom across the country.
Yes, I was referring to public schools over private ones. When you send your child to a privately funded school, you have a much greater control over cirriculum, and you can speak to teachers, interview them if you like, decide which school best conforms to the individual needs of your child. You have no such options in public school.
In public schools, you are in a classroom of what, usually around 30 kids? Why would you put kids into random classrooms? Why have three classrooms of 30 students containing each 10 visual learners, 10 auditory learners and 10 hands on learners? Why not sort out those visual learners from the auditory learners early in their careers, and match those students with like minded teachers? Do you know what it's like to have a teacher who learns and thinks like you do? I'm sure you have stories of those favorite teachers who made a difference in your life and the reason they clicked with you was because they learned and taught in a manner that "clicked" with your individual learning style and ability. A little thoughtful student placement could give every student the possibility of being in a room full of like minded students and teachers.
I'm not asking for an overhaul of the educational system. I think the assets are in place. It's about full and proper utilization of those assets.
No, I was not branded. I'm not so obtuse that I was ignorant of the troubles other students had, nor of the cause of their trouble. I know that students who get "bored" with a slower pace of learning than they need are prone to be "troublemakers". And what I like the very least about our educational system is that standouts are like the nails that get hammered back down.
I did very well in school. I got very good grades with absolutely zero effort. I wonder how much better I would have turned out had I been challenged a little more.

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Some college. Here is a stigma that I encounter all the time. I have certifications up the yinyang.


I always thought you were certifiable. :lol: :wink: :lol:


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Some college. Here is a stigma that I encounter all the time.
I spend more time in school than most college grads do. I can't say I have an "education". But I have certifications up the yinyang.


just like my dad...he didn't finish college but went into the trades, and he's always going to school for something new....in his field there is always something new to learn or brush up on something you haven't done for a while


Many Bachelor degrees now require additional schooling/seminars/etc... as part of continuing education. Mine certainly does.

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So THAT's why wife was moaning "Good Dolphin" in her sleep last night


So that's what one of my professors meant when he called some doctorates "P(iled) h(igh) and D(eep)" :shock:

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Does any degree? Do we?


I just LOLed pretty badly at that. I'm not entirely sure why, but it caught me off guard.


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That's ok, IB. In most polls asking people to self-report themselves on one thing or another, many people "inflate" their responses. You at least have a valid reason.

You also are demonstrating your readiness for law school with your explanation of "Screw it, I'm saying _____(something almost, but not quite true)". You've got the lawyer spiel down already. :lol: :lol:


We only use that talk in the office. In court, it would be more like "I have five ironclad reasons why I am a graduate, and I am shocked that you would insist otherwise.


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I'm anxious to hear what you base these beliefs on? Statements such as the first bold one (Public schools disregard....) are a blanket statement that covers all schools? How do either of you know this? From your individual experience? I also like how people usually begin this argument with the word "public". Show me the evidence that says tuition-based schools are different? I'll be waiting on that one....
The second statement (You will be branded) sounds like it's coming from someone who feels "branded". I have had 18+ years of formal education (all at public schools) and I can't figure out what my "brand" would be?

I agree with the 3rd statement (There is a fundamental flaw...). Hopefully that can change when "W" is ranching his cattle next year....No Child Left Behind is idiotic. Most people in the field of education would agree with that. It is unrealistic and unattainable in the end. Not to mention it is an edict that comes from the federal government, yet the funding for schools that comes from the federal government is minimal. Many districts decline the federal $ in order to be able to disregard NCLB.

The basic principle of U.S. education has been, and always will be, to prepare our citizens for success in the workplace. With very few exceptions, you're going to have to do your work in a certain way, when they tell you to, where they tell you to, etc....If you don't, you will be "branded" as unsuccesful. Or as an ex-employee. I agree that all people learn in different ways, but I also feel like there are many (public) schools that teach in a variety of ways. Obviously, you feel like yours didn't.

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Do you want to argue semantics? You really think I meant every single individual public school and teacher? No. I have not visited each classroom across the country.
Yes, I was referring to public schools over private ones. When you send your child to a privately funded school, you have a much greater control over cirriculum, and you can speak to teachers, interview them if you like, decide which school best conforms to the individual needs of your child. You have no such options in public school.
In public schools, you are in a classroom of what, usually around 30 kids? Why would you put kids into random classrooms? Why have three classrooms of 30 students containing each 10 visual learners, 10 auditory learners and 10 hands on learners? Why not sort out those visual learners from the auditory learners early in their careers, and match those students with like minded teachers? Do you know what it's like to have a teacher who learns and thinks like you do? I'm sure you have stories of those favorite teachers who made a difference in your life and the reason they clicked with you was because they learned and taught in a manner that "clicked" with your individual learning style and ability. A little thoughtful student placement could give every student the possibility of being in a room full of like minded students and teachers.
I'm not asking for an overhaul of the educational system. I think the assets are in place. It's about full and proper utilization of those assets.
No, I was not branded. I'm not so obtuse that I was ignorant of the troubles other students had, nor of the cause of their trouble. I know that students who get "bored" with a slower pace of learning than they need are prone to be "troublemakers". And what I like the very least about our educational system is that standouts are like the nails that get hammered back down.
I did very well in school. I got very good grades with absolutely zero effort. I wonder how much better I would have turned out had I been challenged a little more.


I know that it is not accurate, but when I hear the term "private school", the first example I think of is the numerous catholic schools that are available. I asume they outnumber any other private choice? Taking that approach - I have to disgaree with the notion that parents/students get more say in their curriculum at a catholic school. They are notorious for a "our-way-or-the-highway" approach. You come in, completely conform in pretty much every way, or you're gone! (And don't forget the tuition and mandatory fund-raising!!). You want to be branded? Attend St. Mary the Pompous down the street.

"Standouts" are not hammered back down at all. In fact, too much attention is placed on the "standouts" - at both ends of the spectrum. It's the commoner that is truly neglected in today's schools. There are infinite amounts of recognition and programs for the elite. As well there are even more programs and attention paid to those that are struggling (for whatever reasons).

Honestly not judging you here, but "I wonder how much better I would have turned out if I were challenged more"? Is your life over? Do you not have the ability to challenge yourself now? The ability to learn, explore, discover, and gain enrichment does not cease at the end of a standard public school program. Does it?

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It's the commoner that is truly neglected in today's schools. There are infinite amounts of recognition and programs for the elite. As well there are even more programs and attention paid to those that are struggling (for whatever reasons).


I smell a book...titled "Do You C Me? Observations of The Average Student"

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thats an interesting percent. i know a couple of kids just dropped out where im at so if its like that in the suburbs its gotta be worse in the city.


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Spanky, we're conversing in the context of public school. Current challenges do not apply to this conversation. Do I challenge myself today? Indeed I do.
I disagree with you on the standouts point you made. Average studentes are catered to today. We're living in a world where incorrect spelling is somehow interpreted as creative improvisation rather than what it is, incorrect spelling. We now live in a world where public school students do not learn the fundamental lesson...that lesson being sometime you lose. Sometimes you lose a lot. Not everyone is a winner. To give ribbons to the 10th place kid and give him a participation certificate isn't right. To have baseball games where runs aren't tallied, to refuse to allow kids to play dodgeball, it's just wrong somehow.

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It's the commoner that is truly neglected in today's schools. There are infinite amounts of recognition and programs for the elite. As well there are even more programs and attention paid to those that are struggling (for whatever reasons).


I smell a book...titled "Do You C Me? Observations of The Average Student"

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Chapter 1 - Sean was the Valedictorian

Sean thinks he's hot shit because he knows words and stuff. So people give him money and praise and blowjobs. I get homework. And hot lunch.

Chapter 2 - Devin was special ed.

Devin doesn't learn as fast as the rest of us, but he runs real fast. So he gets extra help with his classes and a nice car w/ 22" dubs. If Devin can't pass his test, they just give him a new one. I get homework. And hot lunch.

Chapter 3 - All about me - the "C" student.

I do just enough to get by, but I can't dribble. I get homework and hot lunch. I don't cause trouble. My mom loves me. I clean my room when she tells me to. One time, she let me go to a mixer at school. Last term, I got 4 C's and 2 B's. Sean makes fun of me but Devin thinks I'm funny. Next stop? Ju-Co!!!

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We now live in a world where public school students do not learn the fundamental lesson...that lesson being sometime you lose. Sometimes you lose a lot. Not everyone is a winner. To give ribbons to the 10th place kid and give him a participation certificate isn't right. To have baseball games where runs aren't tallied, to refuse to allow kids to play dodgeball, it's just wrong somehow.


Agreed - but this is the result of over-protective parents and over-paid attorneys (no offense IB) This is not a result of public school deficiencies.

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We're living in a world where incorrect spelling is somehow interpreted as creative improvisation rather than what it is, incorrect spelling.



Ummm....no. Never witnessed that or even heard of it.

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It's the commoner that is truly neglected in today's schools. There are infinite amounts of recognition and programs for the elite. As well there are even more programs and attention paid to those that are struggling (for whatever reasons).


I smell a book...titled "Do You C Me? Observations of The Average Student"

begin, spanky.


At Ball State, David Letterman donated a few new tech rooms at the Telecommunications college and the plaque read something like "To all "C" students before and after me."

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