I don't see why an E.O. dealing with mental health issues would be anywhere close to their thinking. They want the guns so it will something to do with that.

Either way, Executive Orders suck and I hate them.

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I completely understand your take on it. I guess my way of explaining it is I care far more about my kids than I do my neighbors kids. I would try to help my neighbors kids if they were in trouble but if I had to make a choice I'm going to chose my family.

True. I believe he did that to get elected and switched his position (to one he held in 1996) to get donations and to get reelected.

I'm the exact same way. I care much more about my sister than I do some random teenage girl. But I don't necessarily care more about a teenage girl from Idaho or New York more than I do about one from Pakistan. I think family is only comparable to fellow citizens from a nationalistic point of view, which I believe to be a dangerous characteristic.

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Unless the executive order is to tell society to stop sucking gun's dicks I don't think it matters.

I think that we can all agree that any Executive Order will probably not say that.

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Too bad, it would do more than changing gun laws.

I've thought about this argument before, and I am shocked someone sitting on the Supreme Court hasn't taken that stance when ruling for or against the 2nd Amendment.

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He makes some good points about loopholes, exemptions, cannot buy lists that make a lot of sense and are things I support but by the end of the video he want's to ban something because he thinks it will solve the problem. He speaks to emotion at the end by calling it an "epidemic" when total gun deaths have been flat for a while and in line with population growth. Plus "assault" rifles make up a small fraction of overall the overall gun deaths in the U.S. Also, if you remove suicide by gun from the total you are left with about half of the 30k number.

How many of those guns were lawfully registered? How many were stolen? Smuggled in to the country? Bought illegally?

I think Clinton used executive orders that used the term "suck dick" several times. Easy way to pick up women.

Who cares what Jon Stewart thinks? He's just a comedian. His political thoughts should be ignored.

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Now, now, BRick he is just a comedian when he doesn't want to take responsibility for what he has said/does. When he is super serious Jon Stewart you should listen to him!

Dont ruin the double standard he has created for himself Rick. Remember, he follows a show of muppets making prank phone calls!

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Uh, no. To characterize Ivan like that is extremely disingenuous. I just didn't know if he was stirring, as he has done from time to time.

I daresay also that you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of the real problem at hand here - not that you're alone ... there's far too many millions of people with the same blindness - and that is the fact that the office of the Presidency has suffered mission creep since the Civil War.

For one thing, the President was never intended to be the 'face' of the nation, let alone it's "leader". For another, this whole executive order bullshit flies in the face of how shit was set up in the first place, regardless of which presidential penis pushes the pen to paper.

I've only skimmed bits here and there, but "The Cult of the Presidency" (or something quite similar ... don't have it handy here) would seem to do a very fair and very clear walkthrough of history that has led us to what we have now, which isn't so much an administrative President, but far moreso a "daddy in chief". People that think that's a good idea can line up around the block to suck my dick, frankly.

But, back to the original point, I don't think it's fair to broadbrush Ivan like that, as there's really no evidence that he would think like that.

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I think there's some sensible things that could be done to help limit these kind of mass killings.

Such as, if you sell your gun on the black market, or loan it to someone else, and they commit a crime with it, the gun owner should face the same charges as the person who committed the actual crime. Now I know the mother died in the Connecticut shooting, so she paid the ultimate price, but in the NY fire fighter shooting, someone gave the guns to the shooter. That woman should go away for a long time. You should be responsible for the firearms you buy. This is something reasonable that could be done.

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What if it's stolen?

You should keep your guns secure. That's your problem.

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Very specious reasoning ... bordering very close to damnably foolish.

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Archie Bunker: [on TV] Now I want to talk about another thing that's on everybody's minds today, and that's your stick-ups and your skyjackings, and which, if that were up to me, I could end the skyjackings tomorrow.
Mike Stivic: You could?
Archie Bunker: [on TV] All you gotta do is arm all your passengers. He ain't got no more moral superiority there, and he ain't gonna dare to pull out no rod. And then your airlines, they wouldn't have to search the passengers on the ground no more, they just pass out the pistols at the beginning of the trip, and they just pick them up at the end! Case closed.

Obviously I'm kidding there. Report it stolen then, whatever. I'm just brain-storming. But I think if you lend your gun to your son, and then he goes and shoots up a school with it. That's on you, just as much as it's on the shooter.

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Good point to bring up. Guns should be and need to be treated in a very serious manner with, among other things care and attention paid to storing them safely.

KDidit brought up a great point in an, albeit coarse but true, quip about 'sucking guns dicks' and E.O's. Our great nation via many avenues and such has created an environment where guns are looked at as cool things, toys and objects that don't require reverence. I believe this to be a big part of the problem.

Joking fine, but your renewed posit bears little resemblance to the aforementioned joke.

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I also wouldn't mind seeing some kind of mental health screening in order to have a FOID card.

I have to take an eye test in order to get a Driver License, so you should also have to take an "I'm not crazy" test in order to get a gun license.

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Read my sig.

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Yea, what DT said. That's exactly how I was going to word it.

There are steps that can be taken to make a stronger and consistent legal process to purchase a firearm. No doubt.

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Wrong Section.

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First off, on the point about Ivan, I like him as a poster just fine. I wasn't trying to imply that his position on guns is because he is a Democrat, or because he is just following the herd. He has explained a few times that his position is deeply rooted in personal experience, and I respect that. But he is also admittedly a huge fan of Obama, and he seems to be pretty much ok with everything Obama does, at least in the topics that have been discussed here that I have seen him comment on. That's where the root of my comment was at.

Second, I agree with almost everything you wrote except for the fact that you believe I have demonstrated a lack of understanding of the problem. I have a very real sense of the problem, and I pretty much voice my concern about the overarching power of the federal government whenever I get a chance to. I have strongly criticized Bush and Obama for similar unconstitutional policies. I agree with you that the worst thing about our current policitical system is the fact that politicians are made out to be rock stars and people think that if "their guy" could just get in office, he would set everything straight. Way too many people believe in a federal government that micromanages it's citizens lives and impedes on the freedoms that we often brag that we have to other countries. I dont think the federal government should have anything close to resembling the power that it current has, and am vehemently against giving up any more rights/liberties/privelages/whatever just for the illusion of safety. Were you not paying attention to pretty much any of my posts from September through November of this past year?

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