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Good luck trying to find police officers to patrol Englewood unarmed ( but rogue, they don't patrol there anyway :roll: )

yeah, its probably not realistic


Some cops are bad thought Rogue. Let's not dismiss every story out of hand

Sure. Everyone lies when they get into trouble. Sure seems like the cops here shoot an awful lot of "unarmed" people who weren't doing anything according to witnesses though. Oh gun was found? well all cops carry that plant piece just like the movies!!.

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It all comes down to the fact that the value of a black male life is a few notches below a goldfish. It was only 50 years ago that images on the evening news helped change the minds and hearts of many people. Not even YouTube videos of these abuses of power and disregard of human life gets many to pause or demand changes. Many believe that blacks are animals that can't be reasoned with. Many of the people who believe that happen to be black.

There is no excuse for executing an unarmed person who has their hands up. All we get is a yawn and talk about stupid people rioting and looting businesses who are insured and weren't responsible for anything. Just another day in the life of the forgotten.
When I was in Ireland I didn't even realize the cops didn't carry guns.

Our cab driver mentioned it and said that it also leads to a lot of problems but I honestly didn't feel less safe without an armed police force. It sounds like there is an on call armed police force that doesn't actively enforce day to day laws for issues that require guns.

I wonder if that would cut down on incidents like this or if it would result in more dead police officers?


Different laws. Having a gun isn't the problem. The value placed on a life is. It should take an awful lot for an officer to beat of kill someone. Their life being in danger would be one. Being upset isn't one.
What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.

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Different laws. Having a gun isn't the problem. The value placed on a life is. It should take an awful lot for an officer to beat of kill someone. Their life being in danger would be one. Being upset isn't one.
The gun allows an otherwise good cop to make one incorrect decision with terrible consequences. I think that is the point of most officers in Ireland being unarmed. It sounds like they bring in some backup who can then make a decision if a gun is involved.

The cab driver was saying the biggest problem is that many areas get overrun with well armed drug gangs and the normal cops are powerless to stop them but it sounds like they bring in some more advanced units which at least puts some control in.

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What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.

What?

Are you talking like a Cop having someone take their gun?


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What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.

What?

Are you talking like a Cop having someone take their gun?

Thats what allegedly happened in St Louis.

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Good luck trying to find police officers to patrol Englewood unarmed ( but rogue, they don't patrol there anyway :roll: )

yeah, its probably not realistic


Some cops are bad thought Rogue. Let's not dismiss every story out of hand

Sure. Everyone lies when they get into trouble. Sure seems like the cops here shoot an awful lot of "unarmed" people who weren't doing anything according to witnesses though. Oh gun was found? well all cops carry that plant piece just like the movies!!.


Brogue, stop and take a deep breath.

The Chicago PD put 13 innocent men on death row. 1 of which came within 10 days of being executed.

Let that roll around in your brain for a while.

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What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.


IF you believe that to be true then the response should be to arrest him and not execute him. If he shot the kid while he was allegedly trying to take his weapon inside the squad car no reasonable person would complain. Fact is the kid was gunned down and left for dead 35 feet from the car.

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What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.

What?

Are you talking like a Cop having someone take their gun?

Thats what allegedly happened in St Louis.

Ok, are you saying shoot the unarmed kid because he would shoot you if he could?


That is a pretty crazy way to go about policing, Id think


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What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.


I don't believe that any department is allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect that is unarmed.

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What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.


I don't believe that any department is allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect that is unarmed.

If people were emotionless robots that would work. Someone just tried to take your gun from you to ostensibly shoot and kill you with it, fails and starts running away. Adrenaline , heat of the moment, whatever you want to call it kicks in. I can easily see how that results in the guy running away gets shot. Now you can argue that police are supposed to be trained to show restraint , etc but nobody knows how they'll react when that situation occurs. I related a story a few weeks back about being help up at gunpoint while delivering pizzas back in the by by 3 dudes. After I gave them my money one of them said lets shoot this motherfucker anyway. Turned out they punched me in the back as they ran away. You bet your sweet ass that had I a gun and the chance to do so, I would've chased them down and executed every one of them even as they were running away. Now maybe Id be sitting my ass in jail to this day because of it , who knows. I do know I was scared and and furious at the same time. As to your other point about Death Row, Im willing to wager that for every one of them, there are several more OJ Simpson, Drew Petersen's ( whom they had to change the law in order to convict) who get away with murder because of technicalities and fuck ups than are ever executed innocently. That's our justice system.

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If people were emotionless robots that would work. Someone just tried to take your gun from you to ostensibly shoot and kill you with it, fails and starts running away. Adrenaline , heat of the moment, whatever you want to call it kicks in. I can easily see how that results in the guy running away gets shot. Now you can argue that police are supposed to be trained to show restraint , etc but nobody knows how they'll react when that situation occurs.

In that case, there is no holding cops accountable for anything.


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badrogue17 wrote:
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What about the victim trying to get your gun from you, then when he fails tries to run away? Just let him go? Im sure if he succeeded in getting it he was just going to throw it and run the other way.


I don't believe that any department is allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect that is unarmed.

If people were emotionless robots that would work. Someone just tried to take your gun from you to ostensibly shoot and kill you with it, fails and starts running away. Adrenaline , heat of the moment, whatever you want to call it kicks in. I can easily see how that results in the guy running away gets shot. Now you can argue that police are supposed to be trained to show restraint , etc but nobody knows how they'll react when that situation occurs. I related a story a few weeks back about being help up at gunpoint while delivering pizzas back in the by by 3 dudes. After I gave them my money one of them said lets shoot this motherfucker anyway. Turned out they punched me in the back as they ran away. You bet your sweet ass that had I a gun and the chance to do so, I would've chased them down and executed every one of them even as they were running away. Now maybe Id be sitting my ass in jail to this day because of it , who knows. I do know I was scared and and furious at the same time. As to your other point about Death Row, Im willing to wager that for every one of them, there are several more OJ Simpson, Drew Petersen's ( whom they had to change the law in order to convict) who get away with murder because of technicalities and fuck ups than are ever executed innocently. That's our justice system.


A couple of things.

Are you raising your hand to give up your life for OJ or Drew Peterson?

Upon reflection, would you still try and kill the three people that robbed you?

If your relative or friend was unjustly put on Death Row, would you still consider trusting the police?

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Wonder how Daley's shoot to kill edict would go over these days regarding looters.

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Now I understand why badrogue17 thinks the way he does. His experience validates the narrative the media pushes. When I was 10 or 11 I had a white cop try to plant drugs on me and then told me to say thank you for him letting me go. At that time I had never seen drugs beyond the after school specials. The thought of it still bothers me. Fortunately I have had many more positive experiences with white people. I even consider one who is white and Republican to be like a father. I didn't take you as a person that would hold an bad experience against an entire group of people. You looked like you were happy to see me when I met you.

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Now I understand why badrogue17 thinks the way he does. His experience validates the narrative the media pushes. When I was 10 or 11 I had a white cop try to plant drugs on me and then told me to say thank you for him letting me go. At that time I had never seen drugs beyond the after school specials. The thought of it still bothers me. Fortunately I have had many more positive experiences with white people. I even consider one who is white and Republican to be like a father. I didn't take you as a person that would hold an bad experience against an entire group of people. You looked like you were happy to see me when I met you.

If thats what you think , have at it. You're right , secretly , my skin was crawling being in the same room as you. I'll just continue to let the media inform my opinions like the sheep that I am. Good talk.

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That's what it sounds like to me TODAY. Maybe I am reading you wrong but it sounds like that experience has a major influence on your thoughts. I apologize if I am wrong.

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Fortunately I have had many more positive experiences with white people.



I have had many positive experiences with black people who were not members of CSFMB.

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I have had many positive experiences with black people who were not members of CSFMB.


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Wonder how Daley's shoot to kill edict would go over these days regarding looters.



It didn't go over well then.

It would be worse today.

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There are clearly more horrible black people. Let's start a list.

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Can't we all just be horrible people? Why bring color into it?

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There are clearly more horrible black people. Let's start a list.

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There are clearly more horrible black people. Let's start a list.

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:lol: We have to pick sides?

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This board is filled with horrible white people.


There are clearly more horrible black people. Let's start a list.

Texts have been sent.


Well I am going to PM Bigfan and make something up.

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There are clearly more horrible black people. Let's start a list.

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Great choice!

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