yeah and it turns out that 9/11 was basically a reason to get into afghanistan where go figure they had an estimated ~1 trillion of unmined lithium (perfect for lithium-ion cellphone/laptop/tablet/electronics batteries) up in those mountains.

altho when they were plotting to go "liberate" afghanistan i'm pretty sure they thought that the caspian sea was "sitting on a fucking goldmine" of oil, which turned out to be bunk so the massive amounts of lithium were a nice consolation prize.

but to use the parlance of the 9/11 truthers, pearl harbor was very quite possibly a LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) situation because there wasn't a big desire for the USA to get involved in europroblems(TM) until the aggression of the axis came to our doorstep..... even if it was technically the doorstep of the guest house a thousand miles out in the ocean or something. if that's the case poor admiral kimmel took the brunt of the shitstorm that ensued in a situation where he couldn't possibly look good.

so TL;DR = the truth about 9/11 is totally above my paygrade, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was a LIHOP situation because like that episode of the lone gunmen said ~6 months b4 the attack there's a lot of $$$ to be made in the arms department (terrorism = increased vigilance at home = militarization of local police forces = profit) let alone the whole "go to countries with oil and lithium and uproot their power system to install one that's beyond friendly with western business interests". and it's sad that it had to go down like this because obviously all that stuff i mentioned was going to happen anyways, but it was certainly accelerated by ~10-15yrs by the whole 9/11 debacle.

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The simple answer is a lot of arrogance and some incompetence.

No one thought something like that was possible until it happened. History is filled with similar stories of the most powerful forces on the planet being beaten in a short term manner.

I'm going to need more than that to think the government chose to let it happen. There are good answers as to how it slipped through the cracks of our unmotivated defense against it.

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Comfortably agreeing with Rick. The whole thing seems fairly akin to 'everybody has 20/20 vision after the fact' ... 'oh, I should've seen that one coming' ... that sort of thing.

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Then why haven't they?

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That makes my point. If they can't do it with all their money and intelligence and technology then a group preschoolers shouldn't stand a chance.

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Not true. We knew just about everything except the exact date.

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That's really creepy.

Revolutionary War.
The Alamo.
Vietnam.

Why didn't the clearly more powerful side win then?

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I'm pretty sure Texans were far outnumbered at The Alamo.

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We were the more powerful country though. Did the government let The Alamo happen?

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Texas wasn't even part of the US when The Alamo battle happened.

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What about when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

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It's the same reason we have struggled in Afghanistan and the same reason why Russia did as well. It's not easy to win a fight on terrain that you aren't familiar with. The natives will always have an advantage. This has been true throughout history. That wasn't true in this case. A group of preschoolers were able to successfully attack our homeland despite our knowledge and strength.

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True

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True, but the whole conflict was basically a battle of Texas leaving Mexico to join the United States.

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I was at work downtown at the CME and was on the phone with a client in NY who said the WTC had been hit by a small commuter plane. I looked over to my quote screen and saw that the Eurodollar markets, which had just opened, were all designated as "FAST", which meant fast market--basically that happened when a market was so volatile, the floor traders didn't want to be held responsible for filling customer orders when prices were flying all over the place.

I walked over to a television in our customer lounge and began watching the news on ABC, which was showing the smoke from the first tower. I then saw the second plane hit. At that point all hell broke loose and the CME closed the trading floors (probably around the same time the NYSE closed). I stayed in the office until about noon to try to get a handle on our firm's trades, and then drove home in what was probably the lightest traffic I've ever seen in the middle of the day. It was surreal.

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Come on. I could also cite the many plane hijackings that took place prior to that event. It is just something that happened. The only difference here was that these people could fly the planes. Many hijackings ended peacefully too.

It was a flaw in our defense system that was exploited.

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It wasn't a flaw in our system. At best we were/are extremely incompetent. We had knowledge of it and they were still able to do it. If it were a surprise attack like a random plane being hijacked I would be in complete agreement.

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exactly. by the time the british showed up to fight the revolutionary war the colonists obviously had a tactical advantage in knowing the terrain better than the british, who were so cocky/egotistical that they showed up to fight in fucking red military uniforms (which is a great color if you wanna camouflage yourself with blood-n-guts) marching in some stupid formal formation while the colonists did guerrilla warfare hiding up in trees and/or terrain and started picking them off in big #s because, again, they were all lined up right next to each other in their bright red "shoot me" colored uniforms.

and brick forgot about the sequel to the revolutionary war (like most do), the war of 1812, where again england thought they could just roll up in here and run over us with little to no problems whatsoever (as they never formally recognized us as a sovereign nation after the revolutionary war and were big on impressment of american sailors between 1790-1812). the best part of that was the battle of new orleans where andrew jackson commanded a ragtag unit with a bunch of indians(ha)/slaves and set up his cannon-fortified battle lines and the cheeky brits ended up fortifying themselves behind barrels of molasses to defend themselves from incoming cannonballs.

imagine a red hot cannonball hitting a barrel of molasses; that's going to result in searing gobs of piping hot molasses hitting everything within the blast radius, which burned the troops and got molasses into their cannons which caused them to become very impotent very quickly. i had a history teacher liken the battle of new orleans to somebody coming over to your house looking to start shit with you, but as they walk up to your front door you calmly drop a brick on their head as they're walking in and beat under armour by a couple'a hundred of years in coming up with the slogan "PROTECT THIS HOUSE!"

the difference nowadays is that the british back then didn't have drones and patriot missiles and well, a vastly-superior airforce to go and, say, bomb the tree/s that the guerrilla native snipers are hanging out in. i reckon that's the "preschoolers" thing that you're preaching here, is that the difference between the might of the US armed forces compared to whatever group of middle-east ragtag fighters is like an adult beating up a preschooler. the vast technological advantages afforded to the USA army completely neutralize the homefield advantage that the middle-easterners technically have. it'd be like the bears playing new trier @ new trier or something.

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Only Boilermaker Rick could be involved in an argument in which he mistakenly agreed with someone, and that person came back and told him he was wrong for agreeing.

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The silver lining, if you can call it that, is that 9/11 basically ended the hijack as we know it. No hijacker is ever going to be believed if he says he will allow the plane to land safely if his demands are met.

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Incompetence played a large role. That still doesn't explain why the government, or how the government could just let it happen without any real evidence coming out to support it.

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That is my cross to bear.

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The Alamo was lost because they were fighting against the guy that more or less came up with the idea of chewing gum ... what possible chance could they have had against a brilliant mind like that?

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You're a true martyr, Rick.

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dude i'm not gonna get into the "how" because that's where 9/11 truthiness spins off into an argument that gets distilled down to "faith" or "belief" one way or the other, but like i said in one of my earlier posts.... look at the paradigm shift/s since 9/11 proper. the $$$profit$$$ from any one of the cavalcade of things that have happened both at home and abroad since 9/11 is reason enough to go LIHOP/MIHOP. i'm not naive enough to say that the overall direction of things was radically changed and that the people profiting off of the "post-9/11 world we live in" wouldn't be doing it anyways without 9/11, but at the very least you had an unfuckwithable reason to go be the world police in the middle east and set up new governments that are friends-with-benefits with western business interests.

and then depending on your point of view, the social paradigm shift from whatever you wanna call the post-cold-war USA to the war-on-terror USA was reason enough to do all of this stuff. even if you're 100% against the 9/11 "truth" movement and anything that strays from the official story, claiming there's no "reason" for any level of false-flaggery is just kind of stuffy and belligerent for the sake of providing a black-n-white argument that polarizes the events of 9/11 into either 100% official-story or 100% conspiracy.

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ha... no. if russia or even china invaded us, it would be suicide for them. it will never happen though, because we refuse to intentionally kill civilians. if we played by the same rules as our enemies, we would claim the entire planet USA before christmas.

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sorry to cite wikipedia here, but this pretty much distilled down anything i could say into a clear and concise snappy little factoid. the PNAC indeed got its "new pearl harbor" in the form of 9/11 and basically that "transformation" or "modernization" of america's defenses was sped up by at least 10-15 years, and when you have to buy a shit-ton of new equipment to do that, well there is $$$$$PROFIT$$$$$ to be made.

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No doubt that it changed a lot of things, but it was in no way a good thing for our country.

If there was evidence that it was intentionally ignored I'd start to consider it, but I like to blame it much more on incompetence and arrogance rather than true evil. Just imagine what would have happened to anyone involved if they were discovered to be part of it.

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ike you're forgetting that just about every "major" american city has a 'chinatown' in it.... it's like, uhhhhh, paul mooney (i think) said of the prospects of china invading the USA.... a good chunk of their army is already here! =D

</levity> aka back to the important discussions/discourse that results from any argument with brick!

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