Seacrest you can't compare a human, even one considered a Prophet, to God. Muhammad was fighting tribal battles. He is "merely" a Prophet.

I don't know seventh century rules of war, but I doubt anyone back then followed the Geneva Conventions.

Edit: Would Moses be a better comparison for Muhammad?

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The OT has nothing to do with Christianity. It is the history of the Jews before the arrival of Christ.

I'm sure will find some agreement for that misplaced and mistaken view, but two mistakes doesn't make a true equivalency.

They also taught me that they left due to Religious persecution. Maybe you have a different interpretation.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Joshua. He led the holy war through Canaan.

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Joe Maddon. He is the Prophet that leads the team put together by the son of God.

"No man has led more black men to the Promised Land than Coach Pat Riley."

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Joe Maddon. He is the Prophet that leads the team put together by the son of God.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Joe Maddon. He is the Prophet that leads the team put together by the son of God.

Joe Maddon. He is the Prophet that leads the team put together by the son of God.

Baby, that was my point above. Folks have used religious beliefs and texts to justify all sorts of behavior throughout history.

I don't believe the Muslim Terrorists have any interest in religion at all. They are merely using it as an excuse to gather power, territory, and a rational to attract followers.


No truly religious person could ever justify killing innocent people. And it's one thing to kill people in war where both sides have soldiers trained for battle and quite another to help suicide bombers kill patrons of a cafe.

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Bad news leash, Joe converted to Catholicism on Easter last year.

And the Cubs chaplain was once in the White Sox farm system.

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The Cubs kind of have a trinity don't they Leash?

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Didn't they teach you that the Protestants running England ran out the Protestants that moved to the US?

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

Joe Maddon. He is the Prophet that leads the team put together by the son of God.

Shaka, When the Walls Fell

That's true, isn't it? What was he before?

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

That must have been pre-Phil Jackson.

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If you don't think the actions and requirements of Christ are more noble then those of Mohammed and Islam, then you should probably change the subject now.

Substitute "Love one another" for "Kill the infidels" and even the most thick headed can see an obvious difference.

You unwillingness to accept the actions of the prophet is belied by the fact that most Muslims do.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Yeah, I think he said that in the early-90s. Jackson has been good to the black man. Belichick, too. When you look at it this way....black people owe whites a lot.

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The OT has nothing to do with Christianity. It is the history of the Jews before the arrival of Christ.

If Christianity is the more nobler of religions then why have acts conducted because of "god's preordainment" occurred through out the history of the U.S.? You really do seem to gloss over the actions of the U.S. in all of this.

I have essentially provided evidence as to the Genesis of the modern day conflict yet you keep with the religious aspect.

I'm not really interested in fighting religious arguments. They don't correlate with the historical/political at all. I'm not arguing that Islam is moral or immoral. I'm stating that the political and military actions of the U.S. has caused middle easterners to perform terrorist acts against the U.S. there has not been one point made which refutes this either.

The propaganda surrounding religion is just that, propaganda. It is constructed by Americans to absolve guilt. Libya wasn't invaded because Quaddafi was a religious fundamentalist. Iraq wasn't invaded because Hussein was an Islamic terrorist. Mossadegh wasn't overthrown because he was running around yelling Allah u akbar or some other bullshit.

You want to find commonality here it is. They all were in possession of large oil reserves. Post WWII U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East has been driven by possessing Middle Eastern oil. Religious religious differences have played virtually no role. People in the region understand this. Why do you think Hussein set fire to them during the first Gulf War?

This spin about culture and religion is just spin and it prays upon the ignorance of people too disinterested to ever Crack a book about the subject. The first Gulf War nor 9/11 wasn't the beginning of U.S. Middle Eastern relations, but for a number of people in this country apparently it was.

The crux of the problem lie in the tendency to generalize. Not all Muslims are radical and not all Muslims wish death upon the West. Islam was not conceived as a religion that targets the West either. The West became a target once they began to interfere in their politics.

I find it ironic that the United States can drop bombs in their countries, plant troops on the ground in their countries, overthrow leaders and attempt to impose U.S. styled govermnents yet Muslims are the radical ones.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

The OT has nothing to do with Christianity?

Didn't Jesus himself say that He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it?

If you don't think the actions and requirements of Christ are more noble then those of Mohammed and Islam, then you should probably change the subject now.

Substitute "Love one another" for "Kill the infidels" and even the most thick headed can see an obvious difference.

You unwillingness to accept the actions of the prophet is belied by the fact that most Muslims do.

If Christianity is the more nobler of religions then why have acts conducted because of "god's preordainment" occurred through out the history of the U.S.? You really do seem to gloss over the actions of the U.S. in all of this.

I have essentially provided evidence as to the Genesis of the modern day conflict yet you keep with the religious aspect.

I'm not really interested in fighting religious arguments. They don't correlate with the historical/political at all. I'm not arguing that Islam is moral or immoral. I'm stating that the political and military actions of the U.S. has caused middle easterners to perform terrorist acts against the U.S. there has not been one point made which refutes this either.

The propaganda surrounding religion is just that, propaganda. It is constructed by Americans to absolve guilt. Libya wasn't invaded because Quaddafi was a religious fundamentalist. Iraq wasn't invaded because Hussein was an Islamic terrorist. Mossadegh wasn't overthrown because he was running around yelling Allah u akbar or some other bullshit.

You want to find commonality here it is. They all were in possession of large oil reserves. Post WWII U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East has been driven by possessing Middle Eastern oil. Religious religious differences have played virtually no role. People in the region understand this. Why do you think Hussein set fire to them during the first Gulf War?

This spin about culture and religion is just spin and it prays upon the ignorance of people too disinterested to ever Crack a book about the subject. The first Gulf War nor 9/11 wasn't the beginning of U.S. Middle Eastern relations, but for a number of people in this country apparently it was.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

If Christianity is the more nobler of religions then why have acts conducted because of "god's preordainment" occurred through out the history of the U.S.? You really do seem to gloss over the actions of the U.S. in all of this.

I have essentially provided evidence as to the Genesis of the modern day conflict yet you keep with the religious aspect.

I'm not really interested in fighting religious arguments. They don't correlate with the historical/political at all. I'm not arguing that Islam is moral or immoral. I'm stating that the political and military actions of the U.S. has caused middle easterners to perform terrorist acts against the U.S. there has not been one point made which refutes this either.

The propaganda surrounding religion is just that, propaganda. It is constructed by Americans to absolve guilt. Libya wasn't invaded because Quaddafi was a religious fundamentalist. Iraq wasn't invaded because Hussein was an Islamic terrorist. Mossadegh wasn't overthrown because he was running around yelling Allah u akbar or some other bullshit.

You want to find commonality here it is. They all were in possession of large oil reserves. Post WWII U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East has been driven by possessing Middle Eastern oil. Religious religious differences have played virtually no role. People in the region understand this. Why do you think Hussein set fire to them during the first Gulf War?

This spin about culture and religion is just spin and it prays upon the ignorance of people too disinterested to ever Crack a book about the subject. The first Gulf War nor 9/11 wasn't the beginning of U.S. Middle Eastern relations, but for a number of people in this country apparently it was.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Seacrest, you were on a roll before these statements.

Wasn't Christ a Rabbi who followed the Ten Commandments and other Jewish law, including observance of the Sabbath, going back to Moses in the OT?

Remember that when the boy Jesus was at the Temple, he spent three days among the teachers. And "Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers." (Luke 2:47)

What about the prophecies of Christ's coming in the book of Isaiah, which Christ fulfilled, or the prophecy of the second coming of Elijah in Malachi Ch. 4 that Christ referred to, when he said "Elijah does indeed come and will restore all things." If the OT had nothing to do with Christianity, certainly Christ would not have made any reference to Elijah at all as the redeemer who comes before the great and terrible day of the Lord.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

You think differently and have a different set of beliefs. If what you say is true, how are suicide bombings or beheadings of randompeople gathering power, territories, or attracting followers? They are truly religious or at least acting in a way their culture accepts and encourages.

Here is your original statement:



A couple of things. Your assessment that Islam was not started to attack the west is patently false. So you changed direction to Iraq. After i pointed out that we didn't indiscriminately pick Afghanistan as a target.

So, I think we can agree that the US never belonged in Iran. I think we can also agree that we didn't belong in either war in the Middle East either. Furthermore, I hope we can agree that a discussion of facts is helpful to those who are interested in learning and don't have time to crack a book.

Finally, I'm not looking to spin anything. I have stated clearly we should discuss the failings of Christianity as well. I have thanked you in the past for your willingness to discuss and enlighten the board to things unknown. I hope it continues.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I didn't say it had nothing to do with Christianity.

The OT has nothing to do with Christianity.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Christ was a carpenter, not a Rabbi.