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There is nothing wrong with Civil Disobedience. If the kids choose to exercise their rights as citizens it can be a net win. We often criticize young Americans for not being civically active. When they try and become active they're torn down for it.


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The standard Ruger Mini-14 only has a 5 round capacity and does not come with a collapsible and folding stock. It also takes more work to be fit with a bump stock than other 'tactical' versions of the Mini-14.

One could easily say that the "Ranch" Ruger Mini-14 could be legal and the "Tactical" (tactical for what purpose?) Ruger Mini-14 could be illegal. You don't need 20 rounds, and you don't need to be able to conceal your rifle in your backpack.

Why does "need" enter the conversation and who decides on what is needed and by whom?

People don't need to murder other people. Husbands don't need to beat their wives to teach them a lesson. I don't need to drive 110 mph on the freeway. You don't need a 20 round magazine.

The people your actions affect get to decide. The pros and cons of living in a modern society.

So if you don't need to drive 110, would you accept the installation of a governor that restricts your speed to the posted limit?

If I can disable it for the track, sure. Many cars already have electronically limited top speed.

You and I already did this dance. Did you expect my answer to change?

No you can't disable it.
You don't need to go to the track.

Alright. I'll agree to that but all guns are illegal. Everywhere. Every type. If I have to give up some freedoms to save the lives of kids, I'm going to sit at the negotiating table. I mean...my car at a licensed track event isn't going to kill 17 kids...but I'm willing to bargain. I think innocent lives are worth something.

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Serious question, why is the line fully automatic? I'm not attempting a gotcha or anything but doesn't the government have them? How could a well regulated militia stand up to that?

I think Ogie and others have made the argument that people need to have guns good enough to fend off the government. So why the line at fully automatic?

The standard issue infantry rifle of the US military is no longer full automatic and hasn't been since Vietnam. They have specialized M249 SAW, which is a bipod mounted machine guns for full auto.

The reason for that change is that it was discovered that US marksmanship and overall effectiveness of infantry troops had declined with the early M16s, which were full auto. The common complaint at the time was that earlier M16s had turned the US Army from an army of marksmen into an "army of sprayers." As such the M16A2 and later variants had no full auto option and were instead made to fire a 3 round burst. You really are not going to be laying down full auto fire in a tactical situation other than providing covering fire.

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Alright. I'll agree to that but all guns are illegal. Everywhere. Every type. If I have to give up some freedoms to save the lives of kids, I'm going to sit at the negotiating table. I mean...my car at a licensed track event isn't going to kill 17 kids...but I'm willing to bargain. I think innocent lives are worth something.

We really don't need gigabit Internet either. You could be performing subversive tasks with that high speeds and downloading a lot of child porn (hi Chas). I think we need the US government to cap data speeds at 25 mbps. That should limit illegal activity online, right?

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Serious question, why is the line fully automatic? I'm not attempting a gotcha or anything but doesn't the government have them? How could a well regulated militia stand up to that?

I think Ogie and others have made the argument that people need to have guns good enough to fend off the government. So why the line at fully automatic?

The standard issue infantry rifle of the US military is no longer full automatic and hasn't been since Vietnam. They have specialized M249 SAW, which is a bipod mounted machine guns for full auto.

The reason for that change is that it was discovered that US marksmanship and overall effectiveness of infantry troops had declined with the early M16s, which were full auto. The common complaint at the time was that earlier M16s had turned the US Army from an army of marksmen into an "army of sprayers." As such the M16A2 and later variants had no full auto option and were instead made to fire a 3 round burst. You really are not going to be laying down full auto fire in a tactical situation other than providing covering fire.

So my next modest proposal is to make all guns fully automatic to save lives.

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Serious question, why is the line fully automatic? I'm not attempting a gotcha or anything but doesn't the government have them? How could a well regulated militia stand up to that?

I think Ogie and others have made the argument that people need to have guns good enough to fend off the government. So why the line at fully automatic?

The standard issue infantry rifle of the US military is no longer full automatic and hasn't been since Vietnam. They have specialized M249 SAW, which is a bipod mounted machine guns for full auto.

The reason for that change is that it was discovered that US marksmanship and overall effectiveness of infantry troops had declined with the early M16s, which were full auto. The common complaint at the time was that earlier M16s had turned the US Army from an army of marksmen into an "army of sprayers." As such the M16A2 and later variants had no full auto option and were instead made to fire a 3 round burst. You really are not going to be laying down full auto fire in a tactical situation other than providing covering fire.


Slight mistake regarding Vietnam Nam and the M16. We still had A1’s at full auto as late as 1987.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Serious question, why is the line fully automatic? I'm not attempting a gotcha or anything but doesn't the government have them? How could a well regulated militia stand up to that?

I think Ogie and others have made the argument that people need to have guns good enough to fend off the government. So why the line at fully automatic?

The standard issue infantry rifle of the US military is no longer full automatic and hasn't been since Vietnam. They have specialized M249 SAW, which is a bipod mounted machine guns for full auto.

The reason for that change is that it was discovered that US marksmanship and overall effectiveness of infantry troops had declined with the early M16s, which were full auto. The common complaint at the time was that earlier M16s had turned the US Army from an army of marksmen into an "army of sprayers." As such the M16A2 and later variants had no full auto option and were instead made to fire a 3 round burst. You really are not going to be laying down full auto fire in a tactical situation other than providing covering fire.

Ok.

So government has better weapons but what citizens are allowed to have are enough to hold em off?


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Serious question, why is the line fully automatic? I'm not attempting a gotcha or anything but doesn't the government have them? How could a well regulated militia stand up to that?

I think Ogie and others have made the argument that people need to have guns good enough to fend off the government. So why the line at fully automatic?

The standard issue infantry rifle of the US military is no longer full automatic and hasn't been since Vietnam. They have specialized M249 SAW, which is a bipod mounted machine guns for full auto.

The reason for that change is that it was discovered that US marksmanship and overall effectiveness of infantry troops had declined with the early M16s, which were full auto. The common complaint at the time was that earlier M16s had turned the US Army from an army of marksmen into an "army of sprayers." As such the M16A2 and later variants had no full auto option and were instead made to fire a 3 round burst. You really are not going to be laying down full auto fire in a tactical situation other than providing covering fire.


Slight mistake regarding Vietnam Nam and the M16. We still had A1’s at full auto as late as 1987.

The A2 was the 1st variant to be 3 round burst instead of auto, but the initiative to change it dates to Vietnam

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It's possible. He might know all sorts of shit that I havent told him but he usually will ask me questions if he hears something disturbing.

It's 2018. School shootings are no longer disturbing. We've had it explained that it is the cost of doing business. Make sure your son knows how to duck and dodge bullets.


He believes in Santa (borderline, pretty sure this was the last Christmas...he was asking a lot of questions). I think if someone told him that a kid busted into a school and shot a bunch of people he would be asking me about it.

The hardest part to me is discussing/explaining things without trying to influence him. My parents didnt do a great job with that and they colored a lot of my political leanings until I got older. I'd like to start him on a clean slate and let things come naturally.


I tried this with my kids for years and ultimately learned that if I wasn't doing the influencing someone else was. At that point you have to clean up A LOT of crap.

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A kid in my daughter's district brought a replica toy gun on the bus today. Just got a robo call.

That reeks of pandering to the lowest common denominator. I've about had my fill of things (supposedly) having to be designed for the dimmest amongst us.

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I'd see parenting being a more viable defense against school shootings than manufacture gimmicks.

You forgot Thoughts and Prayers. :roll:

Oh hello.
Please clarify because it comes off like you think gun manufacturers would be more successful in lowering school shootings than the parents of the offenders. Is that accurate?

Oh hello. Please clarify that there is not thumbprint technology available. I know the is a 2A discussion so anything other than "Heller says we can have whatever we want" isn't allowed in your mind.

Ok baby... I'll play along I guess.
Do you have a fingerprint reader on your phone? Have you used it?
First off there aren't fingerprint readers on guns because they're extremely unreliable for starters. It's not like the movies. In fact mythbusters did an episode featuring fingerprint readers and how ridiculously unreliable they are.
Secondly a gun isn't an electronic device.
Third, and in my opinion most importantly, you typically have less than a second to respond to a threat in a defensive situation. You might not be able to pull off a perfect grip and pray your thumb (which really doesn't come into any solid direct contact in a proper grip) and hope the reader properly reads then properly disengaged in time to save your life.
Fourth reason is this isn't the movies.


My fingerprint reader on my S8+ is WAY better than it was on my S6.

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I'd see parenting being a more viable defense against school shootings than manufacture gimmicks.

You forgot Thoughts and Prayers. :roll:

Oh hello.
Please clarify because it comes off like you think gun manufacturers would be more successful in lowering school shootings than the parents of the offenders. Is that accurate?

Oh hello. Please clarify that there is not thumbprint technology available. I know the is a 2A discussion so anything other than "Heller says we can have whatever we want" isn't allowed in your mind.

Ok baby... I'll play along I guess.
Do you have a fingerprint reader on your phone? Have you used it?
First off there aren't fingerprint readers on guns because they're extremely unreliable for starters. It's not like the movies. In fact mythbusters did an episode featuring fingerprint readers and how ridiculously unreliable they are.
Secondly a gun isn't an electronic device.
Third, and in my opinion most importantly, you typically have less than a second to respond to a threat in a defensive situation. You might not be able to pull off a perfect grip and pray your thumb (which really doesn't come into any solid direct contact in a proper grip) and hope the reader properly reads then properly disengaged in time to save your life.
Fourth reason is this isn't the movies.


My fingerprint reader on my S8+ is WAY better than it was on my S6.

Would you trust your life to it working properly in less than half a second?

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Would you trust your life to it working properly in less than half a second?


Now? As long as my fingers aren't wet. A couple of years ago? Not a chance in hell. The technology is improving. The reality is that even when it's perfected there will be over 400 million guns without the technology in America.

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Would you trust your life to it working properly in less than half a second?


Now? As long as my fingers aren't wet. A couple of years ago? Not a chance in hell. The technology is improving. The reality is that even when it's perfected there will be over 400 million guns without the technology in America.

Hopefully if you ever need to defend yourself it's in perfect weather.

This whole sidebar was completely pointless. I'm not sure why I even entertained the thought. We don't have laser blasters or light sabers or DNA handguns or fingerprint handguns. It's movie shit and this is the real world. Let's stick to real world answers.

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Like I've said several times. The devotion to Heller like it's the book of Matthew is pretty scary


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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.


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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.

I never said they were. But it comes off as disingenuous to keep citing saving the lives of kids when the only measure you’re taking towards saving them is asking to ban something that isn’t close to among the leading causes of their deaths.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.


Truth! Never thought FF would make an All Lives Matter post. No one complains about breast cancer awareness month even though all cancers are evil.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.


Truth! Never thought FF would make an All Lives Matter post. No one complains about breast cancer awareness month even though all cancers are evil.

What if all efforts were to work on breast cancer and no efforts were given to other cancers?

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.


Truth! Never thought FF would make an All Lives Matter post. No one complains about breast cancer awareness month even though all cancers are evil.

Two terrible analogies in one post! Stepping your game up I see.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.


Truth! Never thought FF would make an All Lives Matter post. No one complains about breast cancer awareness month even though all cancers are evil.

What if all efforts were to work on breast cancer and no efforts were given to other cancers?


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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.

I never said they were. But it comes off as disingenuous to keep citing saving the lives of kids when the only measure you’re taking towards saving them is asking to ban something that isn’t close to among the leading causes of their deaths.

That's not really 'disingenous'. Stop pressing tonight.


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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.


Truth! Never thought FF would make an All Lives Matter post. No one complains about breast cancer awareness month even though all cancers are evil.

Two terrible analogies in one post! Stepping your game up I see.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.

I never said they were. But it comes off as disingenuous to keep citing saving the lives of kids when the only measure you’re taking towards saving them is asking to ban something that isn’t close to among the leading causes of their deaths.

That's not really 'disingenous'. Stop pressing tonight.

Of course it is.

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If saving the most number of teenage lives is the goal why aren’t we spending hundreds of posts talking about raising the driving age to 21? Or other measures to reduce the number of deaths by motor vehicle to teens, which far outweighs gun homicides.

These events are not mutually exclusive.

I never said they were. But it comes off as disingenuous to keep citing saving the lives of kids when the only measure you’re taking towards saving them is asking to ban something that isn’t close to among the leading causes of their deaths.

That's not really 'disingenous'. Stop pressing tonight.

Of course it is.


It definitely is. When people say things like "when children's lives are on the table anything is fair game" but only virtue signal like that when it comes to gun control (and only certain TYPES of gun control at that), it comes off as supremely disingenuous.


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Alright. I'll agree to that but all guns are illegal. Everywhere. Every type. If I have to give up some freedoms to save the lives of kids, I'm going to sit at the negotiating table. I mean...my car at a licensed track event isn't going to kill 17 kids...but I'm willing to bargain. I think innocent lives are worth something.

We really don't need gigabit Internet either. You could be performing subversive tasks with that high speeds and downloading a lot of child porn (hi Chas). I think we need the US government to cap data speeds at 25 mbps. That should limit illegal activity online, right?

Sure, if you can connect speeds of >25 Mbps increasing the amount of illegal activity online.

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More attacks on the kids. Bad look.


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