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Who Is The Worst Poster On This Message Board?
Baby McNown 22%  22%  [ 25 ]
chaspoppcap 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Frank Coztansa 7%  7%  [ 8 ]
Long Time Guy 13%  13%  [ 15 ]
Juice's Lecture Notes 16%  16%  [ 18 ]
Terry's Peeps 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Boilmaker Rick 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Beardown 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Seacrest 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
sinicalypse 8%  8%  [ 9 ]
Elmhurst Steve 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Spanky 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
IMU 7%  7%  [ 8 ]
Panther pislA 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
America 9%  9%  [ 10 ]
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 4:42 pm 
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I'd change my original vote if I could.

From what, to what? Maybe Management can make it happen.

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Baby really putting on a hell of a show today

It's ok. If Leash is going to continue being a shit stirring hypocrite I have no problem continuing to BMac him.


I don't think he's being a hypocrite. This is just the metamorphosis of Leash. I believe 2014 Leash and 2018 Leash would have a helluva debate. There are beliefs that MANY of us have that evolve over time but I can't recall anyone who wasn't a politician who had so many beliefs that appeared to do close to a 180 overnight.

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Fair.

I considered writing an explanation of how my perspective has changed, but it seemed self-important. I'm sure no one really cares.

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Fair.

I considered writing an explanation of how my perspective has changed, but it seemed self-important. I'm sure no one really cares.


I care.

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Fair.

I considered writing an explanation of how my perspective has changed, but it seemed self-important. I'm sure no one really cares.


I would be interested in reading it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 9:44 pm 
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There's so much to it, it's hard to describe. To boil it down as briefly as I can, Donald Trump and everything that surrounds him caused me to have many realizations.

While most of my realizations were about society in general, the media, Hollywood (which has a huge amount of influence), etc, the most striking revelations were about myself.

Please know that I'm not preaching or trying to convince anyone. I'm simply stating my views...

I realized that I, a white, educated member of the managerial class who lives in the modern-day equivalent of Maybury was screaming that Donald Trump and others were racist, hateful people. That was my "liberalism." I yelled names at people on the internet while I watched my big screen TV and drove my company car and accumulated useless material goods. I was a fraud. Yelling at people that they were racist or bigoted helped me to feel slightly better about myself. I had been educated in Political Science and led to believe I was a Liberal, but in the 10 or so years since college, I had changed... but I had never calibrated my beliefs. I lazily clutched an ideology that made sense for me when I was 20 and drunk and high all day.

I don't care any less about people than I ever did. I just realize that yelling names at people and signalling my virtuousness is probably worse than those who say nothing. I wasn't helping anyone but my own conscience... and even that was fake.

More than anything, what I have come to realize is that I'm not nearly as smart as I once thought I was, and I was never as open-minded as I thought I was. I made fun of people for their religious beliefs, their political beliefs, and even their mental illnesses all while claiming moral superiority because I paid lip service to nebulous terms like "diversity."

And I believe the modern Left is primarily like this. They substitute outrage for actual love. They substitute victim hood for personally making the world a better place, and they refuse to listen to any view they don't see as proper.

And there lies my biggest realization. Many people on the Left are the least tolerant individuals to have ever walked this planet. I should know - I was one of them. I and others literally asked Trump voters to identify themselves before the election, as though we were going to make them wear identification for being so stupid. I and others talked about Trump voters as if they were people who escaped mental institutions. The Left talks and acts as though they are just right so much that even if they were, you'd still disagree out of principle.

As my views on this started to change, I began noticing things I'd never noticed. For example, Liberalism permeates mainstream American culture, but it's become so common we don't even realize it. People who are against gun control are labeled as psychos by the media, and we barely bat an eye, as though defending the 2nd amendment makes someone the equivalent of Timothy McVeigh.

I also came to realize that there is a genuine and somewhat mainstream hatred for Western values. People openly mock free speech, the right to arms, and individual responsibility as though they are quaint ideals from a time gone by. They are forgetting what the world was like prior to the founding of America. It was fucking awful. The thing that has made it not awful is Western values. When this house of cards falls, we will fall back into a tortuous anarchy where the idea of social justice is laughable.

The modern day outrage over a lot of things are just benefits of living in a society so wealthy we've forgotten what strife really is. And I mean that generally. There are certainly people who are dealt a bad hand and who struggle through life day-by-day. But I often find that those people have more perseverance than the woman from Kenilworth who lives in a million dollar house and goes to protest about how she is oppressed.

Life is hard. Life is dangerous. Life is confusing. Life is short. Life is often awful. There is no one who can protect us from that. But we can do things to better ourselves and stop worrying about everyone else and their ignorance or stupidity or bigotry. The only thing we can fix is ourselves.

Again, this is not a diatribe to be preachy. I was admittedly exactly what I'm griping about a shirt time ago.

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Leash being honest and straightforward on his evolution. Will the CFMB allow it though? Many have not been allowed to shift or otherwise alter course.

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I thought Leash stopped posting here?

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I thought Leash stopped posting here?


Old leash is dead. Long live the new leash.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 10:15 pm 
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That was a very thoughtful post leash.

Who wrote it for you?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
That was a very thoughtful post leash.

Who wrote it for you?


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Thanks for sharing Leash! Is it possible that you have "over corrected"?

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Thanks for sharing Leash! Is it possible that you have "over corrected"?


For sure. I have an addictive, impulsive personality, and my mind is always in overdrive, noticing things that sometimes don't exist.

That said, I'm not as far the "other way" as you probably think. My views have changed so much throughout my life that I'm more obsessed with free speech than anything else because you never know what viewpoint might "click" for you at anytime... even the most idiotic things you've ever heard.

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I had a similar realization recently.

I thought that if tomorrow all the things were gone that I had worked for all my life, and I had to start again with just my children and my wife, that honestly I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today. Why? Because the flag still stands for freedom, and they can't take that away.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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That was a very thoughtful post leash.

Who wrote it for you?


Baby McCown


Ah.

Well..

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 10:44 pm 
Drafting on Nas' question, is it possible that's why you go so hard against people who question your new interpretations of things?


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That was a very thoughtful post leash.

Who wrote it for you?


Baby McCown


Ah.

Well..

Actually a more dialed back version of the New Leash and I probably agre on a great MANY things.


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Too drunk to read all that, but whatever it says I still love Leash.

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I'd bet many people who usually vote Democratic would agree with that. They're maybe a little left of center but not leftists. The insane leftists are what drove me away (that and the fact that they refuse to consider the effects of social class).


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I had a similar realization recently.

I thought that if tomorrow all the things were gone that I had worked for all my life, and I had to start again with just my children and my wife, that honestly I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today. Why? Because the flag still stands for freedom, and they can't take that away.



Ok Lee Greenwood

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 1:26 am 
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Great post Leash.

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Let me just say that leash seems to be "problematic" now. He's not Hitler but he's not not Hitler.

I do think there was too much of an over correction though. I hate a lot of liberal ideas but the other side has some truly scary ideas. Since gun control was mentioned I just can't get over the fact that an organization people on here proudly claim membership to who step up as the leaders of the "responsible gun owners" literally wanted 2nd grade teachers to have loaded weapons on them at all times and they saw nothing wrong with this. The pro gun lobby has gotten more extreme because of the rise of school shootings. Even people on this board have argued that FOID cards should be gone, the assault rifle ban is wrong, and that a private corporation deciding to not sell guns to 19 year olds is some sort of grand attack on gun rights. Then some loon no one has ever heard of says "let's take all guns" and then it's like "See! They want to take our guns. We must resist everything!".

Just try and make your own opinions. There is a fringe on both sides. It doesn't mean you have to choose between arming 2nd grade teachers and confiscating all guns.

But yeah most liberal ideas aren't great. The extreme conservative ones are worse though.

Good post leash.

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"New improved Leash"-Ivanka

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I had a similar realization recently.

I thought that if tomorrow all the things were gone that I had worked for all my life, and I had to start again with just my children and my wife, that honestly I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today. Why? Because the flag still stands for freedom, and they can't take that away.



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Let me just say that leash seems to be "problematic" now. He's not Hitler but he's not not Hitler.

I do think there was too much of an over correction though. I hate a lot of liberal ideas but the other side has some truly scary ideas. Since gun control was mentioned I just can't get over the fact that an organization people on here proudly claim membership to who step up as the leaders of the "responsible gun owners" literally wanted 2nd grade teachers to have loaded weapons on them at all times and they saw nothing wrong with this. The pro gun lobby has gotten more extreme because of the rise of school shootings. Even people on this board have argued that FOID cards should be gone, the assault rifle ban is wrong, and that a private corporation deciding to not sell guns to 19 year olds is some sort of grand attack on gun rights. Then some loon no one has ever heard of says "let's take all guns" and then it's like "See! They want to take our guns. We must resist everything!".

Just try and make your own opinions. There is a fringe on both sides. It doesn't mean you have to choose between arming 2nd grade teachers and confiscating all guns.

But yeah most liberal ideas aren't great. The extreme conservative ones are worse though.

Good post leash.


Weak attempt to ape the style of Leash's thoughtful post.

Derivative, disingenuous and dumb. Congrats.

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Hey look. The crazy right wing fringe is already here!

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Hey look. The crazy right wing fringe is already here!


The only fringe here are the tassels on the bath robe I presume you wear while you watch another man fuck your wife.

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I bet that joke kills at rallies you attend.

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