Cold War Part II: Crimean Boogaloo

Hank Scorpio · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:03 pm

I dont root for bloodshed but with the old school Miller Lite cans out there and Russia being the bad guy again, I feel like I've gone back in time. It's not a terrible feeling. It's refreshing to have an enemy again that has borders and a political system. This war on terror was too general. I need to have someone to root against.

Chus · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:07 am

Regular Reader wrote:

chaspoppcap wrote:

I would be doing this no matter who was at the top. This situation is bad news. Notice how the West is making all this noise and there is virtually nothing coming out of Putin. ....

Honestly the only President we had that would have been able to maybe stop this is Reagan or Johnston.

Notice how the only ones in the West making all this noise are Tea Partiers & mini tough guys like Sen. Lindsey Beauregard Graham, or clueless NewsCorp clowns like Giuliani and Caribou Barbie???

And you can't be that daft to hold up Reagan & "Johnston" as shining examples of Presidents using military force???

Reagan had 230+ Marines killed in a terrorist act, did nothing about it....except to attack the Spice Island of Grenada. He had virtually nothing to do with the fall of the USSR, simple economics and Russian public needs/desires did.

LBJ did nothing but find a fraudulent "reason" :wink:

to escalate American involvement in Vietnam...leading to tens of thousands of American (& hundreds of thousands/millions of Asian) deaths in a country that has been one of our biggest trading partners & exotic vacation destinations of many Americans for over twenty years.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-m ... 714_tds_78

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:39 am

Chus wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

chaspoppcap wrote:

I would be doing this no matter who was at the top. This situation is bad news. Notice how the West is making all this noise and there is virtually nothing coming out of Putin. ....

Honestly the only President we had that would have been able to maybe stop this is Reagan or Johnston.

Notice how the only ones in the West making all this noise are Tea Partiers & mini tough guys like Sen. Lindsey Beauregard Graham, or clueless NewsCorp clowns like Giuliani and Caribou Barbie???

And you can't be that daft to hold up Reagan & "Johnston" as shining examples of Presidents using military force???

Reagan had 230+ Marines killed in a terrorist act, did nothing about it....except to attack the Spice Island of Grenada. He had virtually nothing to do with the fall of the USSR, simple economics and Russian public needs/desires did.

LBJ did nothing but find a fraudulent "reason" :wink:

to escalate American involvement in Vietnam...leading to tens of thousands of American (& hundreds of thousands/millions of Asian) deaths in a country that has been one of our biggest trading partners & exotic vacation destinations of many Americans for over twenty years.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-m ... 714_tds_78

Chus,

Be prepared to get the requisite " who cares what Jon Stewart thinks!?" from many of the same people who likely watch 24-hour cable news and who think Tucker Carlson is more qualified.

Brick · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:39 am

leashyourkids wrote:

Be prepared to get the requisite " who cares what Jon Stewart thinks!?"

He is just a comedian.

Baby McNown · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:49 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Be prepared to get the requisite " who cares what Jon Stewart thinks!?"

He is just a comedian.

So is most of the staff at Fox News. What's your point.

Chus · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:52 am

leashyourkids wrote:

Chus wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

chaspoppcap wrote:

I would be doing this no matter who was at the top. This situation is bad news. Notice how the West is making all this noise and there is virtually nothing coming out of Putin. ....

Honestly the only President we had that would have been able to maybe stop this is Reagan or Johnston.

Notice how the only ones in the West making all this noise are Tea Partiers & mini tough guys like Sen. Lindsey Beauregard Graham, or clueless NewsCorp clowns like Giuliani and Caribou Barbie???

And you can't be that daft to hold up Reagan & "Johnston" as shining examples of Presidents using military force???

Reagan had 230+ Marines killed in a terrorist act, did nothing about it....except to attack the Spice Island of Grenada. He had virtually nothing to do with the fall of the USSR, simple economics and Russian public needs/desires did.

LBJ did nothing but find a fraudulent "reason" :wink:

to escalate American involvement in Vietnam...leading to tens of thousands of American (& hundreds of thousands/millions of Asian) deaths in a country that has been one of our biggest trading partners & exotic vacation destinations of many Americans for over twenty years.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-m ... 714_tds_78

Chus,

Be prepared to get the requisite " who cares what Jon Stewart thinks!?" from many of the same people who likely watch 24-hour cable news and who think Tucker Carlson is more qualified.

That video shows what fools those people are. People that Chas takes seriously, while he plays army men, and he doesn't bash the president. If somebody really wants to defend any of those idiots in the video, be my guest.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:52 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Be prepared to get the requisite " who cares what Jon Stewart thinks!?"

He is just a comedian.

He's also much more intelligent and has a better perspective than 99% of all reporters on mainstream TV.

Are you saying that CNN MSNBC and Fox are more credible simply because Stewart was a comedian by trade?

Brick · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:00 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Be prepared to get the requisite " who cares what Jon Stewart thinks!?"

He is just a comedian.

He's also much more intelligent and has a better perspective than 99% of all reporters on mainstream TV.

Are you saying that CNN MSNBC and Fox are more credible simply because Stewart was a comedian by trade?

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1568757#p1568757

I didn't set the rules.

Baby McNown · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:02 pm

Reading that post though it sure as hell looks like you tried. :lol:

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:12 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Be prepared to get the requisite " who cares what Jon Stewart thinks!?"

He is just a comedian.

He's also much more intelligent and has a better perspective than 99% of all reporters on mainstream TV.

Are you saying that CNN MSNBC and Fox are more credible simply because Stewart was a comedian by trade?

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1568757#p1568757

I didn't set the rules.

I don't really care who set the rules. If anyone watches Jon Stewart shred Fox News, as he did in Chus' s video and does on a daily basis, and their first thought is"well, none of that matters. He's just a comedian," I don't know what to tell you. Fox News is embarrassing. Stewart points out the hypocrisy of the media on a nightly basis, and he fills a much - needed role in our ignorant, gullible society. Sometimes the role of court jester gives you a platform to speak the truth that is not present in other, more "serious" roles.

Chus · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:13 pm

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Baby McNown · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:16 pm

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Of course. It's much easier than acknowledging the truth about the people who are spoon feeding you your information.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:17 pm

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Right. The fact that a "news" organization is making fun of our president for wearing "mom jeans" while complimenting a Russian dictator is secondary here because Stewart is a "comedian" and therefore anything he ever says should just be ignored.

Chus · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:22 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Right. The fact that a "news" organization is making fun of our president for wearing "mom jeans" while complimenting a Russian dictator is secondary here because Stewart is a "comedian" and therefore anything he ever says should just be ignored.

Brick · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:37 pm

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Who is to blame for that? Who derailed the thread almost immediately?

Chus · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:42 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Who is to blame for that? Who derailed the thread almost immediately?

I have three people in mind, but I suspect that my list is different than yours.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:43 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Who is to blame for that? Who derailed the thread almost immediately?

Me. But I think it was warranted. I was only prompting the inevitable.

Brick · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:45 pm

Chus wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Who is to blame for that? Who derailed the thread almost immediately?

I have three people in mind, but I suspect that my list is different than yours.

How about we start with the one who made that the subject? :lol:

Brick · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:47 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Who is to blame for that? Who derailed the thread almost immediately?

Me. But I think it was warranted. I was only prompting the inevitable.

I don't think you really understand the complaint. It's not that Stewart should be ignored because he is a comedian. It's that some think he and people like Maher should selectively be ignored because they are comedians.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:52 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Chus wrote:

Here we are focusing on Jon Stewart. Kill the messenger.

Who is to blame for that? Who derailed the thread almost immediately?

Me. But I think it was warranted. I was only prompting the inevitable.

I don't think you really understand the complaint. It's not that Stewart should be ignored because he is a comedian. It's that some think he and people like Maher should selectively be ignored because they are comedians.

Did you or did you not say in the other thread that once someone calls themselves a comedian, everything they say from that point forward should be ignored?

I'm not excusing using the comedian label as an excuse, nor am I saying that one should rely solely on the Daily Show for news. But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Brick · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:53 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

Did you or did you not say in the other thread that once someone calls themselves a comedian, everything they say from that point forward should be ignored?

As serious political thought, yes.

leashyourkids wrote:

I'm not excusing using the comedian label as an excuse, nor am I saying that one should rely solely on the Daily Show for news. But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

I just wish he didn't have to play games to protect himself, and that his fans wouldn't fall into it.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:57 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:00 pm

FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.

For people who are educated, I agree. For young people who don't necessarily see the ridiculousness of TV "news"... I think he's very important. It just shouldn't be their only source of news.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:02 pm

FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.

Any my point was that regardless of how one feels of him, you shouldn't ignore the message simply because of the messenger. That's true of anyone, though.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:05 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.

For people who are educated, I agree. For young people who don't necessarily see the ridiculousness of TV "news"... I think he's very important. It just shouldn't be their only source of news.

Anybody who relies on tv as their primary source for news is bound to be misinformed, and Stewart is part of the problem. All of them work inside a very small box when it comes to talking politics and Stewart is no different, from the little I have seen. Making fun of Fox News is like shooting fish in a barrel, but it isn't going to give any young viewer a more informed, complex look at the problems within our political landscape. I don't really consider him important at all.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:07 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

But Jon Stewart points out more stupidity and hypocrisy than anyone in media, no matter what he calls himself. To ignore him would be dumb.

Not really. He's a gifted satirist, but you are making him sound more important than he is. Nobody is missing anything substantial by not watching the Daily Show.

Any my point was that regardless of how one feels of him, you shouldn't ignore the message simply because of the messenger. That's true of anyone, though.

I completely agree. I also think the comedian label doesn't invalidate any serious positions said comedian has. Penn Jillette is a comedian/entertainer and someone who also should be listened to, IMO.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:14 pm

But I don't disagree with the first part. 99% of the media in this country operates within that small box. I think the difference between you and me is that I'm willing to make some concessions for even a little bit of sanity (even if it is still within that small box). From what I've read of your views, you are not. You seem more all or nothing, and that's fine. Perhaps you are more principled than I am. Within the box, and to me, Stewart is one of the most logical ones we have.

Also, look at Fox ' s viewership. It may be easy, but most still don't see it.

Nas · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:17 pm

I love what Colbert and Stewart do.

Edit: I think it's wrong to dismiss them or try to diminish the importance of what they do.

Darkside · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:17 pm

Can we please get back to blaming Obama for everything?

Nas · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:21 pm

Darkside wrote:

Can we please get back to blaming Obama for everything?

What about Romney and Bob Dole?

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