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Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html

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Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html


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It would be funny if Trump won the popular vote but Hillary won the electoral college.

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Tall Midget wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html


Somebody better do a wellness check on LTG.



Nah this one is in the bag. The Never Trumpers have about a week to fully solidify their allegiance.

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If commercials matter, Trump's commercials in Florida would be far more effective if I were an undecided voter.

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If commercials matter, Trump's commercials in Florida would be far more effective if I were an undecided voter.


Man,you are not kidding. The HRC ones are lame as all hell.

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Tall Midget wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html


Somebody better do a wellness check on LTG.



Nah this one is in the bag. The Never Trumpers have about a week to fully solidify their allegiance.


This isn't looking good.

I must admit that I am shocked by the degree to which the polls are tightening, especially given my belief that Trump supporters are generally underrepresented in them.

For several months I have been arguing that if Trump narrows Clinton's lead in key swing states, he will be able to win the presidency based on the effectiveness of voter suppression tactics (voter ID requirements, changes in registration procedures, elimination and relocation of polling places, etc) and outright intimidation. This scenario appears perilously close to becoming reality. Trump may defeat Clinton by benefiting from a variety of anti-democratic or illegal measures, but his victory will appear legitimate.

That said, we shouldn't overlook the fact that the Clintons have undercut themselves through their typical complacency and condescension. They have turned a walk in the park into something like a death march.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html


Somebody better do a wellness check on LTG.



Nah this one is in the bag. The Never Trumpers have about a week to fully solidify their allegiance.


This isn't looking good.

I must admit that I am shocked by the degree to which the polls are tightening, especially given my belief that Trump supporters are generally underrepresented in them.

For several months I have been arguing that if Trump narrows Clinton's lead in key swing states, he will be able to win the presidency based on the effectiveness of voter suppression tactics (voter ID requirements, changes in registration procedures, elimination and relocation of polling places, etc) and outright intimidation. This scenario appears perilously close to becoming reality. Trump may defeat Clinton by benefiting from a variety of anti-democratic or illegal measures, but his victory will appear legitimate.

That said, we shouldn't overlook the fact that the Clintons have undercut themselves through their typical complacency and condescension. They have turned a walk in the park into something like a death march.



I definitely agree with you about the complacency. The premature victory lap seems to be a recurring theme with her and it never serves her well. Didn't against Obama and it isn't now. I have never really agreed with the packaged way that she is handled. I think it has more to do with her consultants (Bill) and strategists (Bill) than it does with her.


Hillary Clinton the fiesty, resilient fighter is always her best play but she never uses it until her back is against the wall. I never agreed with the "temperament" strategy that they used against Trump. I thought that there was so much in his business background that they could have used against him but didn't. The Trump is angry and crazy enough to drop the bomb wasn't the correct strategy. I also think that they should have presented him as a bumbling incompetent that doesn't have a clue about the job that he is attempting to attain.


That said I think she still wins by 5%-6% and clears 340 in the electoral vote.

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I don't believe any of these polls. I have no idea what we are in store for next week.

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The media is just trying to keep this close to boost ratings just like they did in 2004, 2008, and 2012 (and all of those elections were not close at all). 2000 was such a ratings success for the 24 hour news networks, and they want to build that same tension again. With that said, Hillary's got this.

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The media is just trying to keep this close to boost ratings just like they did in 2004, 2008, and 2012 (and all of those elections were not close at all). 2000 was such a ratings success for the 24 hour news networks, and they want to build that same tension again. With that said, Hillary's got this.


That's probably right. I'm just going to watch and see if Johnson can get to 5%. That's the only storyline that matters to me.

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The media is just trying to keep this close to boost ratings just like they did in 2004, 2008, and 2012 (and all of those elections were not close at all). 2000 was such a ratings success for the 24 hour news networks, and they want to build that same tension again. With that said, Hillary's got this.


That's probably right. I'm just going to watch and see if Johnson can get to 5%. That's the only storyline that matters to me.


Is Bill Weld even voting for Johnson?

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The media is just trying to keep this close to boost ratings just like they did in 2004, 2008, and 2012 (and all of those elections were not close at all). 2000 was such a ratings success for the 24 hour news networks, and they want to build that same tension again. With that said, Hillary's got this.


That's probably right. I'm just going to watch and see if Johnson can get to 5%. That's the only storyline that matters to me.


Is Bill Weld even voting for Johnson?


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I definitely agree with you about the complacency. The premature victory lap seems to be a recurring theme with her and it never serves her well. Didn't against Obama and it isn't now. I have never really agreed with the packaged way that she is handled. I think it has more to do with her consultants (Bill) and strategists (Bill) than it does with her.



I think her "handlers" know exactly what she is and isn't. They are keeping her away from other than exactly planned things purposely.

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These attempts at separating Hillary from Bill are like trying to separate the garlic from the gravy.



The Anti Hillary crowd has no problem with providing distinctions when it comes to her level of involvement in his White House. I have even seen you do it. Can't have it both ways.

In this case it relates to campaign strategy. That is definitely plausible.

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Tall Midget wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html


Somebody better do a wellness check on LTG.



Nah this one is in the bag. The Never Trumpers have about a week to fully solidify their allegiance.


This isn't looking good.

I must admit that I am shocked by the degree to which the polls are tightening, especially given my belief that Trump supporters are generally underrepresented in them.

For several months I have been arguing that if Trump narrows Clinton's lead in key swing states, he will be able to win the presidency based on the effectiveness of voter suppression tactics (voter ID requirements, changes in registration procedures, elimination and relocation of polling places, etc) and outright intimidation. This scenario appears perilously close to becoming reality. Trump may defeat Clinton by benefiting from a variety of anti-democratic or illegal measures, but his victory will appear legitimate.

That said, we shouldn't overlook the fact that the Clintons have undercut themselves through their typical complacency and condescension. They have turned a walk in the park into something like a death march.


Couldn't agree more

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I definitely agree with you about the complacency. The premature victory lap seems to be a recurring theme with her and it never serves her well. Didn't against Obama and it isn't now. I have never really agreed with the packaged way that she is handled. I think it has more to do with her consultants (Bill) and strategists (Bill) than it does with her.



I think her "handlers" know exactly what she is and isn't. They are keeping her away from other than exactly planned things purposely.



She has always been better when she is allowed to be herself. Hillary as attack dog is always her best move. The Hillary that dismantled Trump in the first debate is Hillary at her best.

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The media is just trying to keep this close to boost ratings just like they did in 2004, 2008, and 2012 (and all of those elections were not close at all). 2000 was such a ratings success for the 24 hour news networks, and they want to build that same tension again. With that said, Hillary's got this.



Yep the media has been more Anti Hillary than anyone. Horse race is all that matters and when she wins comfortably on Tuesday they will spin it as if there was some sort of late push by Hillary supporters.

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long time guy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html


Somebody better do a wellness check on LTG.



Nah this one is in the bag. The Never Trumpers have about a week to fully solidify their allegiance.


This isn't looking good.

I must admit that I am shocked by the degree to which the polls are tightening, especially given my belief that Trump supporters are generally underrepresented in them.

For several months I have been arguing that if Trump narrows Clinton's lead in key swing states, he will be able to win the presidency based on the effectiveness of voter suppression tactics (voter ID requirements, changes in registration procedures, elimination and relocation of polling places, etc) and outright intimidation. This scenario appears perilously close to becoming reality. Trump may defeat Clinton by benefiting from a variety of anti-democratic or illegal measures, but his victory will appear legitimate.

That said, we shouldn't overlook the fact that the Clintons have undercut themselves through their typical complacency and condescension. They have turned a walk in the park into something like a death march.



I definitely agree with you about the complacency. The premature victory lap seems to be a recurring theme with her and it never serves her well. Didn't against Obama and it isn't now. I have never really agreed with the packaged way that she is handled. I think it has more to do with her consultants (Bill) and strategists (Bill) than it does with her.


Hillary Clinton the fiesty, resilient fighter is always her best play but she never uses it until her back is against the wall. I never agreed with the "temperament" strategy that they used against Trump. I thought that there was so much in his business background that they could have used against him but didn't. The Trump is angry and crazy enough to drop the bomb wasn't the correct strategy. I also think that they should have presented him as a bumbling incompetent that doesn't have a clue about the job that he is attempting to attain.


That said I think she still wins by 5%-6% and clears 340 in the electoral vote.


I think polling told them it would help them win white suburban women and educated white women. IF they could secure those voters the drop in African American voters wouldn't hurt.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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The media is just trying to keep this close to boost ratings just like they did in 2004, 2008, and 2012 (and all of those elections were not close at all). 2000 was such a ratings success for the 24 hour news networks, and they want to build that same tension again. With that said, Hillary's got this.


That's probably right. I'm just going to watch and see if Johnson can get to 5%. That's the only storyline that matters to me.


Is Bill Weld even voting for Johnson?


I don't it. He has just about endorsed Hillary.

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Yep the media has been more Anti Hillary than anyone. Horse race is all that matters and when she wins comfortably on Tuesday they will spin it as if there was some sort of late push by Hillary supporters.


I agree the media wants to be able to have drama and a story, but to tie that into "anti-Hillary" is a stretch.

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Tall Midget wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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Today's RCP. The pressure has to be rising for some.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html


Somebody better do a wellness check on LTG.



Nah this one is in the bag. The Never Trumpers have about a week to fully solidify their allegiance.


This isn't looking good.

I must admit that I am shocked by the degree to which the polls are tightening, especially given my belief that Trump supporters are generally underrepresented in them.

Increased turnout among Hispanics will also help.
For several months I have been arguing that if Trump narrows Clinton's lead in key swing states, he will be able to win the presidency based on the effectiveness of voter suppression tactics (voter ID requirements, changes in registration procedures, elimination and relocation of polling places, etc) and outright intimidation. This scenario appears perilously close to becoming reality. Trump may defeat Clinton by benefiting from a variety of anti-democratic or illegal measures, but his victory will appear legitimate.

That said, we shouldn't overlook the fact that the Clintons have undercut themselves through their typical complacency and condescension. They have turned a walk in the park into something like a death march.



I definitely agree with you about the complacency. The premature victory lap seems to be a recurring theme with her and it never serves her well. Didn't against Obama and it isn't now. I have never really agreed with the packaged way that she is handled. I think it has more to do with her consultants (Bill) and strategists (Bill) than it does with her.


Hillary Clinton the fiesty, resilient fighter is always her best play but she never uses it until her back is against the wall. I never agreed with the "temperament" strategy that they used against Trump. I thought that there was so much in his business background that they could have used against him but didn't. The Trump is angry and crazy enough to drop the bomb wasn't the correct strategy. I also think that they should have presented him as a bumbling incompetent that doesn't have a clue about the job that he is attempting to attain.


That said I think she still wins by 5%-6% and clears 340 in the electoral vote.


I think polling told them it would help them win white suburban women and educated white women. IF they could secure those voters the drop in African American voters wouldn't hurt.

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In the last three elections, the betting markets, not the polls, have told the story in the week up to the election. In 2004, Kerry had a late push in the polls, despite Bush being a huge favorite in the betting markets. In 2008, McCain had a late push in the polls, despite Barry being a big favorite in the betting markets. In 2012, the polls looked so good for Romney, that he thought it was in the bag. The money was on Obama, and he won fairly easily.

This year, Hillary has been the favorite, especially after the DNC. She was as big a favorite as 10-1 in some places. The email news last week brought the numbers back towards Trump, but never closer than Hillary as a 5-2 favorite. Since yesterday, she has gone back up to a 3-1 favorite. I'm using the lines from 5dimes, which is one of the biggest books. They take tons of action from all around the world.

Polls are polls. How accurate are any of them? Who is getting polled? I have never been polled, nor poled. I have been laughed at MANY times when pointing out betting markets, but the truth is, they usually tell the story. Money talks, bullshit walks.

The only viable path for Trump is to take Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and North Carolina. He is going to lose Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin. As Tall Midget stated, the Republicans are doing their best to suppress the vote in OH, FL, and NC. I'm sure it's all just a coincidence that early voters (read: liberal voters) in these states have had several hour long waits in those states. He may win Ohio, but PA looks like it is going to the Hill-Dog, and that will be enough for her to win. It will certainly be a lot closer than I thought.

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The only viable path for Trump is to take Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and North Carolina. He is going to lose Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin. As Tall Midget stated, the Republicans are doing their best to suppress the vote in OH, FL, and NC. I'm sure it's all just a coincidence that early voters (read: liberal voters) in these states have had several hour long waits in those states. He may win Ohio, but PA looks like it is going to the Hill-Dog, and that will be enough for her to win. It will certainly be a lot closer than I thought.

She could win Penns and end up tied with Trump at 269.

How crazy would that be?

Tues maybe a long night with so many of these swing states appearing to be close.

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The tighter these pills get the more anxious LTG gets.

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The tighter these pills get the more anxious LTG gets.


Why? I'm convinced she wins by 5%-6% and clears 340 in the electoral votes. Also to demonstrate how media spins things it's interesting to note how much attention has been paid to national poll numbers. There hasn't been much talk of Trump's daunting task in the electoral college has there? Hillary has 242 electoral votes locked before tuesday. He would have to carry just about every swing state in order to win.

What I do appreciate is just how any perceived tightening of the polls or Anti Hillary news always seems to bring the Never Trumpers out of the woodwork.

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What I do appreciate is just how any perceived tightening of the polls or Anti Hillary news always seems to bring the Never Trumpers out of the woodwork.


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