You are frothing at the mouth to call someone racist. It's like an addiction.

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See you've let that DiCaro thread ruin you.

The only thing worse than a whiny SJW is the idiot who responds to them so far the other way they end up partially justifying what the SJW's platform.

No rational person agrees with the insane Julie's of the world. It doesnt make you special or intelligent to recognize that sort of thing.

But if you bring the anthropology\culture card excuse into play for Nana, it's now in play for everyone.

Nuanced thinking makes FF's brain tired!

Quick, someone use a slur so FF and RPB can get their rocks off!

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I never want to be a BF. Can someone give me a quick rundown on where we are in this thread? So I can help my fellow Americans.

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Yeah, I dunno, once again I think this is a very baffling take. Donald Trump IS racist. Any opinion to the contrary I think necessarily has to ignore basically his entire public life and business profile, as well as his political leanings.

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Yep. And that was agreed and signed upon by all parties about 5 pages ago.

I think we are ready to tar and feather anyone not willing to say Trump is Hitler 2.0. Like us or leave us!

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Yeah, we already covered your nonsensical "Trump is racist but not supremacist because supramacists are in positions of power(and I guess Trump isn't) take. It's bad. It's worse you're double downing on it.

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That's a fair response. I just feel it's a very very large hill to climb to label someone that way because of the all the historical connotations in that word. When we take such loaded words and apply them broadly, it reduces the value of the label. For instance, I think it is one thing to be prejudiced, another to be a racist, and another to be a supremacist. It's not a bright line test, but rather a continuum.

Prejudiced- You see a person different from yourself and immediately make negative assumptions solely because of his race or nationality.
Racist- There is an active dislike of another race.
Supremacist- Taking actions to separate oneself and advocate policies that separate groups through custom and laws. In many cases, these individuals would engage in hate crime styled violence or intimidation of other groups.

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It took a while to catch up on all these pages. Wow is an apt word.

You guys going back and forth is something. Should it really be that hard to accept someone is racist and inherent to that they must feel in some way superior to that person they feel that way about? I don't think so.

At the same time it is not always correct to say because someone is racist given the above comment and definitively state they are "white supremacist".

It was mentioned about being born in the 80's. Well some of us here came from a different world born in the 60's. We have a different view of what a white supremacist is. They are very real and no they do not always wear robes and swastikas.

In my world an example of a racist would be someone that says I will not hire or rent to this person because they are black, wear braids and probably lives the thug life. That very same racist person though probably has neighbors, friends, bosses and even equal colleagues that may be black. They do not see any problem there.

A true "white supremacist" on the other hand in almost every instance hates and despises non whites. This also usually includes the 12 joos running the world's money by the way. They refuse to acknowledge the human value on blacks at all. They will not even entertain any aspect of accepting them at any cultural or financial level.

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I simply fail to see how you find it objectionable to call Donald Trump a supremacist based on your own criteria.

And I think you know it's simply wrong to assert a person needs to engage in hate crimes in order to be fairly labeled a supremacist. Maybe George Wallace was just misunderstood?

I think I have been as critical on the left as most people here, yet I fail to understand the reticence to call a spade a spade when it comes to this stuff.

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Honestly, I think the volume of prejudice and racism has been and will continue to dissipate.

I feel like the age cut off is around 45-50 now. Most people those ages or younger are pretty tolerant race wise.


And if my grandkids say I was a homophobic asshole in my youth, they'll be correct.

And if Im still a homophobic asshole at 75, that i grew up in the 80s will be no excuse.

This is a fair point. I don't entirely agree with you but I understand where you are coming from. To me, a supremacist is someone who believes his group of people to be superior to all others, and devalues the liberties and humanity in others based on that belief. To me, Donald Trump fits that defintition to a T.

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Im so glad you post here.

You have yet to show even an ounce of nuance in this thread, nor have you even attempted to defend your own position. Just go back to baseball trolling and let adults speak here. Thanks.

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Now it comes out.

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Homophobic? You're still stuck in the 1990's my man. Tell me how you feel about transgendered pre-teens so I can tell if you are a true ally or not.

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Could be. All I said earlier was a I am not sure.

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I dont think they should be able to vote.

The term racist was used and continues to be used so often that whites roll their eyes when they hear it. It is thrown around casually to describe every reason why minorities are disadvantaged.

"Hollywood is racist"- Is it a shock that mass market studios create movies that appeal to the mass market?
"Cops are racist"- This one probably has the most legs, but it's still a very broad brush.
"Colleges are racist"- Have you seen the average scores by racial category? If they are racist, it is against Asians.

If you call Trump a supremacist, you've got a very large bucket of Americans in that camp. Now, you want to use the term prejudiced, and yeah that's a pretty big percentage.

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What do you get when a gay Eskimo marries a black guy?

Does believing white credit is superior to black credit make me a white supremacist?

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Worse, an insurance adjuster.

Let me take this from another angle-

When you hear Hawk or Gruden call a player "the greatest", every single broadcast, do you put much weight in that opinion? No, you basically laugh about it and discount what was said. You should want terms with strong connotations to retain those meanings as a way to separate one label from another.

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Moint's Pal

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there are a lot of people who consider themselves not to be supremacist in the States, but were they to go to say, South Africa or certain places in South America, they would consider their way of life to be superior to those ways of life, and were they to be involved in say, construction projects, or any infrastructure, would consider those people to be below them because they approach and do life a very different way than we do.

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Is it possible for someone to be a racist and not be a white supremacist?

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I used to be that guy.

But on the other hand overuse of the label doesn't = it doesn't exist... and a lot of people do act that way.

I completely agree with this although I admit to occasionally being an offender myself. I think it's absolutely incorrect to apply this to Trump though. I don't know what more he can do outside of actually proposing racial concentration camps to convince people he is indeed racist. This is something that has far preceeded his political career.

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