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Is this war due to religion or is religion a pretext for a conflict that would have happened otherwise?

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I'm fairly certain that you'd be hard pressed to find any country that was formed by a group comprising 10% of the population. Also Israel was first created at the bargaining table and not the battle field.

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Also, it's an interesting argument to say that countries should be determined based on who was the majority population, while also claiming you think Israel should have been created somewhere else, even though there wasn't any place in the world where that would be true at the time it was created...

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Only part of it was a lease...the so-called New territories.

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I think you need to brush up a little on happenings around the world.

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Look at those goalposts move!

Israel was created by the strongest militaries in the world. You have a very strange take on history here. It's fairly obvious that military strength, especially as the world has become stronger, has been the primary driver of countries being created, surviving, and disappearing. That's why wars exist instead of people taking a census to get population statistics.

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I don't disagree with that.

Zeph, you need an avatar. Either get one or (according to Nas) you're off the board.

How do you know that it couldn't have been created elsewhere? Are you as aware of geography as you were the events of yesterday? there is plenty of uninhabited land found throughout the world today. Whether it would be accepted is another story. Europeans have been among the more virulent of all of the Anti Semites found in the world yet they conspicuously escape much in the way of criticism for it. If there were to be reparations it should have come from them.

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No it wasn't. Israel was created by Mandate first. Without the Mandate there wouldn't be an IsraeL You have to brush up on your history. You are simply lacking in anything resembling basic facts. I already established how the population increased dramatically following the Declaration yet you only see what you want to see as usual.

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They weren't a majority in any major land area in the world. It's just a bizarre thing to argue that Israel should have been created, but it shouldn't have been created there because they weren't the majority, when they weren't the majority anywhere.

That area, outside of a few populated cities, was about as uninhabited as the unnamed uninhabited land you are talking about now unless you are talking about having Israel in Antarctica. I'm not sure where in Europe you think there was a huge piece of land available with a lower population density.

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And didn't we strong arm the Colombians to get them to give up their claim to the Isthmus?

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The Palestinians seem to be relying on a moral argument, though.

Solidified on the battlefield, though.

There I hope you're happy with me!

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Oh yeah....you were also on my list....

Fantastic

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Like? Outside of decolonization of the world and the dividing up of post WW2 Europe nothing comes to mind that is a match. It seems a recent trend in history (75 years?)that a war is fought and the winner does not keep some spoils (land).

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And we thought that Cutler had the best example of punch me face

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only because they can't win by might, try as they might

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I know I am milking some of the same old tired board memes, but it is the only way I can cope with the insanity of these threads.

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I'm not a geographical whiz by any stretch but I'm fairly certain that there was uninhabited land somewhere in the world that could have been carved out for an Israeli state. Herzl had areas in mind when came up with the Zionist concept in the late 1800's.

There had to be an alternative other than the Middle East. They have been nothing but targets in that particular region since their inception. The solution to the problem was to place the country in a region of the world reknowned for violence, mayhem, and chaos. How is that beneficial? In edition you cede the moral high ground (in my opinion) due to the way it was created.

Again i will get past 48 because there is nothing that can be done about that. Two state solution is the only solution besides absorbing Palestinians into Israel and granting them full citizenship. Too much animus for that to ever happen.

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Does everyone believe that the "Palestinians" per se and their representative truly want the two state solution? Or is it a tool? Secondly, doesn't Israel treat non Jewish citizens as full citizens now? Then why would we expect "absorbed" Arabs to be treated less?

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It's almost as if there is an international law governing this or something...

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Without going to extremes like remote islands that wouldn't be plausible at all you are still going to find this to be difficult and virtually impossible in Europe outside of areas the size of cities. Also, most of those lands already had countries established on them even if they were sparsely populated.

Wait a minute. Are you acknowledging what the goal is for the enemies of Israel? This is quite a breakthrough!

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