How close a friend is he?

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We just met yesterday, so I’d say we’re still in the honeymoon phase.

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Good luck!

With a service fee about 200 bucks.

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Mr. Darko - Our central AC (outside) is running but the blower (in the furnace) is not...thus pretty much no cold air is coming into our home. There was also water on the floor around the furnace. I checked the condensate drain and it was full of water so I cleaned that out. I don’t see a float valve however. Are these factors related? If not am I left with bad motor, bad capacitor or bad circuit board? Assuming I need to call someone do you have a recommendation in the SW burbs? (Note: Armstrong Ultra SX 90) Thanks in advance.

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So the outdoor unit is running but the blower is not.
That certainly sounds like a blower motor issue.
Why isn't the blower motor running?
Well, some of the older Armstrong units needed a signal at G from the thermostat to turn on the blower during coming cycles.
Do you have a multimeter?
Feel free to pm me for troubleshooting. I'll give you a number to text.

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Thanks. Yes I do have a multimeter. I was thinking about sending power directly to the blower motor to see if that is the problem. Is that a no-no?

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just start pushing in contactors and see what happens

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Yeah you can do that. Take the black lead off the board and wire nut it in with the power coming from the door switch to the L1 terminal on the board.
But also check the capacitor and see that it's not weak or blown first.

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Zippy- you may need an air compressor or a can of compressed air to blow the spider nest out of your condensate drain. I'm certainly deferring to the expert DS here, but my experience was a wasp up in the condensate drain line that caused the purge air blower to trip out and shut the whole thing down. Yes, this was heat mode and not AC mode, but it may be similar if you still have water in the drain line. at least Monday you should be able to get some help at a reasonable price.

Water trapped in the condensate line wouldn't shut down the blower unless there is a float switch or similar blocked drain safety but those almost always break Y (in some cases it breaks R) in which case the condenser shuts off. In rare cases, a blocked drain may cause water to spill over the evaporator pan and onto a motor or control board causing the motor to stop running.

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Thanks to you both. So here’s the latest. I direct powered the blower and it worked. However, when I did that the AC shut off. When I reconnected the wires the AC kicked on and the blower shut off again. If I could have kept both running I could have at least manually operated the system to cool the main floor. Now I’m flummoxed. I’ve supposedly got a tech coming out but have yet to get a call with a time frame. This isn’t how I wanted to spend my day off.

Edit: so after thinking about it, what if I jumper the blower and the board?

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Here's a dumb question. When you direct powered the blower did you still have power going to the furnace circuit board so the transformer and thus the low voltage control side was still powered?

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Rereading your post it seems when you direct powered the blower, you didn't power the board.
If the board isn't powered the ac won't come on because the thermostats low voltage control power comes from a transformer generally wired into the board.
Sounds like you have a bad board.
You can direct power the black line from the motor to incoming power from the door switch but you have to wire nut it in a 3 way connection to also allow power to the board to make the condenser and thermostat work.

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Blower Black lead-------
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Door switch--‐--------------
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Board L1------‐---‐----‐------


Don't electrocute yourself. You make these connections with the power switch or furnace breaker off.

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Makes sense. Thanks and yes I’ll shut the power off. Much appreciated!

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I'm home today so if you want to call me and go over this pm me.

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Awesome. If this works and you don't mind the fan being on you can replace the board at your leisure. It needs to be done, most likely, before heating season. If you're feeling froggy, you can replace this board for probably $120 max yourself. Probably 400 to 500 for a pro.

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Incidently I think you can replace this board with a Honeywell universal ST9120U.
They run between 70 to 100 at a supply house or maybe grainger. I have a business account at Harry Alter supply house if there's one near you.

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I really appreciate your help on this. If I had more time to work on it I would definitely attempt to install a new board but we’re heading out on vacation on Wednesday and I don’t want to take any chances so I’ve got a “pro” looking at it right now. So far it seems like you are right on the money but he can’t do a new board until tomorrow. Thus doing a “3-way” temporarily. With your help I could have gotten to that point but I still feel better having him replace the board.

On a side note: he’s calling somebody for input on how to do this part. Maybe I should have put him in touch with you

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I've already got my guys calling me today for help so what could another call hurt.
I'm not shocked that they sent out a rookie. It's a holiday so the experienced guys aren't taking calls. They're gonna beat up on the kids.
Anyhoodles if you ever need me let me know. Stay cool tonight.

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Pfffft. Wire it without power on, bullshit. That's why there is a breaker on the furnace circuit. Not only wire it with the power on, but stick your bare foot in the sump pit water while you are wiring it! That's how the pros do it!!!



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RFDC writes for Geico?

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So for the record, the water I saw was (apparently) a result of the coils freezing up since the blower wasn’t operating. When I shut the whole thing down it thawed and thus...lots of water.

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So a few weeks ago i accepted a bid to encapsulate my crawlspace from Family Waterproofing in Oak Lawn. They had recently replaced my sump pump and I kinda randomly asked the tech how much it would be to do the encapsulation and he said he'd ask the office to get me a quote
They emailed me a bid which was 2600, and i accepted and paid the down payment , i thought it was going to be a lot more and even made a comment to that effect
The tech shows up today (after i take a day off work since people are going to be in my house and bedroom) and basically tells me he doesn't have enough material to do it and he expected it to be a much smaller crawl (I have 3 bedroom ranch...)
So bottom line it sounds like the sales guy screwed up in the quote, the tech told me it should have been 3x as much. Eventually he says they'll do it for 5300 which includes a 'discount' , i told him to go home.
Do i have any recourse if they refuse to honor a bid ? does bid = contract ?
Im also shocked they never called me directly, the tech was the one telling me all this
I just want to be careful before i respond to them since im so pissed

if they didn't do the work i would just say your going to have to show up at their shop to get your money back. I suppose you can try to force them to honor the quote but they can just tell you no as long as they return your deposit. might be worth pricing out the work with other vendors... because swallowing your pride and accepting a higher price from these dopes might be the cheapest for you

yes im sure the most likely outcome is they aren't doing it, and it really should have cost more
But i have a pdf quote with pics of the crawl along with a drawing with a legend showing the shaded area is 'encapsulated area', which is the entire area . It's pretty clear. I guess i'm saying are there no consequences for not honoring a contract ? i guess not, it sucks
i wasn't trying to scam anyone, i don't know how much that shit costs. I work in a diesel fuel shop, i wouldn't expect this guy to know how much a Cummins fuel pump costs to rebuild. I just expect if i agree to a job at a price that the job gets done

Going back through this thread, I see a lot of AC talk. While I can do automotive AC work, home AC is a different story. I get the concept is the same, but I lack the diagnostic tools and truth be told, I'd do something wrong and light up like a Christmas tree...

With that said, the Central Air unit at the other house crapped out last spring. I took it apart as best I could and cleaned it out then, thinking that it was an ancient unit, probably just dirty... But nothing... So not sure whether it's out of refrigerant or what? Mind you, this thing is old (I think installed around 1980), so yea, I know it's probably using baby seal killing R-12 and that getting that, I need to back up a Brinks truck, but not really wanting to invest a ton in a house I'm just gonna flip eventually. I've gotten by last summer and so far this summer, using a window unit.

Anyone do house calls??

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Sounds like this tech needs to work on HIM SELF!

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I think that about covers it, yeah?
Good luck. I think you're gonna need it. That's pretty shitty

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