Discussing this is "taking it personally"? Why do you always have to take little shots like that?

We all know that only black suffering matters, but here is a point I was making earlier. I know of several local families from Romania and Poland.

Going back to their great grandparents-parents they lived through World War 1, the famine in the years after the war, the Great Depression, the rise of Fascism, the German invasion at the beginning of World War 2, five years of Nazi rule including genocide, the Red Army invasion at the end of the war, the mass rapes carried out by the Soviet army during their occupation, then decades of Soviet rule, which included poverty, famine and killing of land owners and political dissidents.

Telling these families to check their white privilege is absurd. Why does only Jim Crow era oppression "need to be acknowledged" or whatever you want done? Do we need to acknowledge that we bombed or fought wars against most Asian countries in the 20th Century because we did not like their politics?

I am using white guilt as a general term for whatever people want to call this political thought that white people are natural oppressors, and all of the resulting bad ideas that have come as a part of that including choosing to segregate and declaring that speech is violence.

I don't have a clear idea on what you want to remedy past atrocities. Reparations? A change in the laws? I think that's opening quite a Pandora's Box.

My family had plenty of bad things happen to them from the Russians too. It's irrelevant to what happened in this country.

Also you can start to respond to points here rather than things you read on Twitter. I don't think white people are naturally more oppressive. It just happened to be white people here.

As for what should be done it stars with acknowledging the unequal past. Let me know when you are ready to.

No. See waitingforruffcorns posts.

My family had plenty of bad things happen to them from the Russians too. It's irrelevant to what happened in this country.

Also you can start to respond to points here rather than things you read on Twitter. I don't think white people are naturally more oppressive. It just happened to be white people here.

As for what should be done it stars with acknowledging the unequal past. Let me know when you are ready to.

Don’t most people know about the unequal past Rick?

I think the fix for racial issues is perplexing to some because it isn’t a simple problem. If your light bulb burns out fix it. Not this stuff no. Half the time the problem can’t even be correctly identified. It’s like social cancer.

For technical people and even money folks there is a way I look at the solving of race relations. You start with a problem and make exponential strides towards a total solution. The thing is the closer you get to the end the longer it seems to take and the smaller the steps appear.

I am not telling anyone else how to feel certainly but I have to try to be positive. This will never be solved 100% in my lifetime probably but I won’t shit on the progress that’s been made. Also people can talk about white guilt all they want. In everything I control every day I will do the right thing in this regard.

Not much I can do or say really. Might as well retire from racial posts.

As I said my grandfather was a laborer his entire life. Who do you think he had more in common with your grandfather or the Kennedys?

I've never denied that racism was a terrible stain on this country, but why do we want to continue to insist that the only suffering in this country was due to racism and that our experiences are not comparable. It's divisive at best to say all white people have this incredible privilege, and it's putting people into camps along lines that people Richard Spencer would prefer.

There is nothing to be gained by pushing guilt on people for a past they had nothing to do with.

Chances are that my grandfather couldn't safely live his peaceful, productive life in your grandfather's neighborhood. And that to many of his neighbors, that was just they way they wanted it. The reverse likely was not true and therefore many of the experiences are not in fact comparable. Hell, when my parents moved us onto our block, we were the second family of color. Within three years, there were only two non-black families on the block, and one of those had older kids who loved to throw rocks at kids barely into kindergarten. That is until other black families with older kids put a stop to it. And fwiw with one exception, those two families were oddly the only ones headed by non-professional fathers.

And what you see as pushing guilt, is from my perspective is promoting a more honest historical discussion. Which makes MANY uncomfortable.

Chances are that my grandfather couldn't safely live his peaceful, productive life in your grandfather's neighborhood. And that to many of his neighbors, that was just they way they wanted it. The reverse likely was not true and therefore many of the experiences are not in fact comparable. Hell, when my parents moved us onto our block, we were the second family of color. Within three years, there were only two non-black families on the block, and one of those had older kids who loved to throw rocks at kids barely into kindergarten. That is until other black families with older kids put a stop to it. And fwiw with one exception, those two families were oddly the only ones headed by non-professional fathers.

And what you see as pushing guilt, is from my perspective is promoting a more honest historical discussion. Which makes MANY uncomfortable.

Why the hell do I only have 2 votes?

Because, try as you might, you're nowhere near as bad as JLN, IMU, or Elmhurst Steve

A black child born in Alabama in 1961 was a slave.

From many (cynical) property owners, they're welcomed with open arms, if only because it fuels a belief in rising property values and increased city service to follow