Very futile.


But the 2A guarantees the right to do down swingin

If the government was taking care of part of the population that part would let them do what ever they want and sit it out.

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The majority absolutely would. MANY would be happy as long as they felt their day to day lives weren't too terribly affected.

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I'd put on a pink pussy hat and a hijab and take to the rough streets of Moline.

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6'1", 250 lbs. and barrel-chested. 9.5 inches, uncut. You don't want any of this. Or maybe you do.

We're counting on Bridgeport to step up, bro.

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I sincerely doubt that we will ever have to use violence to protect ourselves against this government. However our grandchildren may have to protect themselves against whatever this government evolves into. It's the nature of governments to spin off into something other than what was intended eventually. They all do it. To think ours won't is short sighted. Our founding fathers were aware of this. They put in place framework to prevent or more realistically delay the inevitable.

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http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

As long as you promise us cushy make work jobs in the revolution, we're in.

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Seeing a White Sox minor leaguers sister is among the dead.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

The idea is our lives are being effected though.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Thoughts and prayers to Kenny Williams' family.

Solid precedent. It means we should not be averse to making further changes.

- Manufacturing guns or gun parts without a license should be 100% illegal. No firearms should be without official serial numbering and registered to a database. Who would argue with this?

- No one needs to be able to go to a gun store or a show and walk out with a gun that day. There should be a minimum 30-day background check, for each individual purchase.

- I do not know all of the current requirements regarding gun ownership, but I once had a FOID card and I don't remember anything as to how I acquired it, besides my Dad wanted me to get one. It should take hours (days) of firearms classes, etc. etc.

- No guns that can be converted into fully automatic should be legal for private citizens. I would also look into further restrictions for handguns.

I'm sure there is more. these are starting points.

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Guys are speaking of the "government" as if it's some foreign entity that we're really not sure if we can trust instead of seeing that it's comprised of everyday people like ourselves. Has anyone met someone who works in the federal government? If you had then you'd think taking up arms against the public is basically an impossibility since it requires things that are beyond the capabilities of these folks, like general competence. I mean look at congress - 75% of these guys are just in it for the free trips to Europe on Pfizer's dime for "fact finding missions." Even the dark sectors like the intel community have experienced breaches in the past that raise questions their ability to pull off a coordinated assault like the ones you're all talking about.

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The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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You'll get to keep your current jobs. I promise.

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So we should be saying the military instead of the government? If there was an uprising within this president's tenure, would he be more equipped to handle it considering his CoS is a general?

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Not enough to sway those who would want to maintain the status quo. MANY don't want to rock the boat and are content to just trudge through their day.

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I wouldn't assume which side many military members would be on. I'm sure there are plenty of FavreFans out there on active duty.

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Freedom is our Strength.

In any such situation, you would have massive desertions from the military. See Syria where it was a small group of protesters at first. The government opened fire on them and large portions of the military defected. They would've defeated Assad had Russia and Iran not interceded on his side.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Is this the same first amendment that currently has many reasonable and well thought out restrictions?

People who don't want the government (or the people who hack into the database or those that buy the hacked database information) to know what guns they have (or don't have). A national gun database cuts at the heart of private ownership and privacy rights.



Precisely which mass shootings of late would such a law have stopped? I'm guessing few, possibly none, and at that point you're just further restricting the free exercise of people's rights just because you want to, in furtherance of no rationally-related goal. That's unconstitutional.

Further, a mandatory 30 days for each weapon purchase is quite a chilling effect on someone's constitutional right, both in temporal and monetary terms.



Curious to know what you mean by "etc. etc.". The classes idea doesn't sound bad, but again with each class you mandate, you put up another barrier to people exercising their rights, and together in concert with all the other things you have advocated, you have effectively frozen the right of someone to keep and bear arms.



So only revolvers, bolt action rifles and certain kinds of shotguns are legal to own in a society whose constitution guarantees a right to gun ownership? That's silly.

I'm pretty sure SCOTUS routinely strikes down local laws restricting speech and also has maintained protections of the press and religion. This year they declared there is no hate speech limit and in other years they struck down laws against flag burning.

Free speech remains unabridged. I thank the ACLU for all they have done for that cause as well.

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Other than #4 as I'm not sure if he illegally modified a semi-automatic weapon or owned automatic weapons, all of your above points would not have prevented this mass shooting. Honestly, I agree with some of your points. I've said before, I am fine with background checks and serial numbers on guns and having licenses to sell guns and gun parts. But I am assuming a 64-year-old man with no criminal history likely passed all the background checks. And likely owned a lot of these guns for longer than 30 days. And since he didn't use handguns, further restrictions would not apply.

People are always so reactionary to whatever the situation. If it's an AR, they want those banned. When it's hand gun, they say guns are ok but only hunting shotguns and rifles. If he has 30 round magazines, they want less. They never have any reasoning behind their thoughts. They just want less. It's like when Chicago public schools want more money to fix their problems. Well, how much? Whatever people get, they want more. If we banned hand guns today, the next time a guy with a sawed off shotgun starts sawbucking people on the street, the calls for shotgun bans would be next.

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But what if you took away the average egotist's ability to Tweet or post selfies to Instagram. Would Julie DiCaro stand up to a government that took away her platform?

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I'm guessing she'd take a knee .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I think many of you watched 'V for Vendetta' one too many times.

Nope. He was an anarchist. A more proper comparison would be John Adams on HBO.

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what's sad is that Britain is moving very close to the level of surveillance you see in that film. CCTV cameras everywhere and active attempts to ban encrypted personal communications like WhatsApp. Theresa May is a raging Caller Bob.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

This is the same SCOTUS that routinely upholds local laws regulating speech, and regulating the freedom to assemble. There are reasonable and well thought out restrictions to the First Amendment.

There are also reasonable and well though out restrictions to the Fourth Amendment.

There are also reasonable and well thought out restrictions to the Sixth Amendment.

Sorry that the above doesn't fit your narrative that the Second Amendment is the only Amendment that is restricted in some way, or under attack of restriction, but it isn't true.

To the same point, your narrative that the Second Amendment is "the" firewall against tyranny is also unsupported by any legal precedent, and it contradicted by countless historical events.

It's also pretty clear that Mr. Madison wanted some humans to own other humans so I guess because Madison said it, it has to be so...

Speaking of classes/training, would this guy have been able to practice shooting at a range with this setup? He could have found some deserted area in Nevada, but I assume he couldn't just show up at a range and say, "hey, check out my new automatic rig...mind if I empty a few rounds?" Not sure what the culture is at gun ranges, whether they are pretty strict or if they tend to attract people who like to show off their new mods (legal or otherwise).

I'm just curious as to whether he would have needed any practice to be as "accurate" as he was. The recoil on a gun that shoots thousands of feet per second has to be pretty intense.

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and our founding fathers left an Amendment process in there so that we could change that.

If you want to take guns, go amend the Constitution. Otherwise, go pound sand.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson