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I think Omarosa has as good a chance as any...and maybe a better chance.

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Trump won't pick any of the losers that ran against him except for Christie. Christie is his emergency backup plan in case he can't find a real politician with clout.

no way in the world he picks Christie.


Not a good idea to have 2 unlikable pricks from the northeast on the same ticket. Trump needs a running mate from anywhere but the northeast. Kasich is an experienced and successful politician who is likable and would bring votes to Trump that he would not get without him. Kasich is also the only candidate who can shore up the right and deliver both the traditional conservative voters as well as Reagan democrats and blue collar voters.


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Consider this your quadrennial reminder that VP selection means pretty much jack shit when it comes to swaying an individual state, at least because of said nominee being from that state.

It would appear this needs to be said again.


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it doesn't matter, unless Sanders runs as an indy, but Kasich.

Clinton cannot lose. It is not possible.

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it doesn't matter, unless Sanders runs as an indy, but Kasich.

Clinton cannot lose. It is not possible.


Great news for Trump.

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Former Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson — who’s now on presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump’s vice presidential search committee — said during a recent interview he had no interest being part of a Trump administration.

But after Carson was told during the interview that a recent poll ranked him at the top of a list of most-liked vice presidential candidates, the Washington Post said the former neurosurgeon replied, “Who else was on the list?”

The answer? John Kasich, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, and Chris Christie, the paper reported.

“Those are all people on our list,” Carson replied, according to the Post.

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it doesn't matter, unless Sanders runs as an indy, but Kasich.

Clinton cannot lose. It is not possible.


Great news for Trump.

even I can't screw this one up for 'ol Hil'

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City of Fools wrote:
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it doesn't matter, unless Sanders runs as an indy, but Kasich.

Clinton cannot lose. It is not possible.


Great news for Trump.

even I can't screw this one up for 'ol Hil'


I don't think Hillary is a lock at all. Lot's of ammo the republican party will use over her Email scandal and the Benghazi fiasco that will be used in a much more forceful manner than it was by her fellow Democratic nominees. Also, her connections to big banks, wall street and drug companies...... Bernie is more of a true Democrat. What the hell has Hillary ever accomplished as a Senator, or as Secretary of State for that matter, of a positive nature?

It's very possible that Hillary will be indicted for her Email issues. It could well happen during the Democratic convention, when such a development could cause the most damage. She may not even wind up getting the nomination, though it might best benefit the Republican party, if they indict her after she is nominated, on the final day of the convention.

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Health issues will sideline Hillary, paving the way for President Elizabeth Warren.


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City of Fools wrote:
it doesn't matter, unless Sanders runs as an indy, but Kasich.

Clinton cannot lose. It is not possible.


It is very possible.


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Trump won't pick any of the losers that ran against him except for Christie. Christie is his emergency backup plan in case he can't find a real politician with clout.

no way in the world he picks Christie.


Which is one reason why Trump would pick Christie. Choosing Christie for his VP runs counter to conventional political wisdom; Trump's entire campaign is built on subverting the usual paradigms of politics.

Wonder if Christie is a Bush family mole in the Trump camp. Christie owes his political career to the Bush family. Christie took out dishy twink Marco for Jeb; but then Jeb couldn't hang with Trump. Christie then drops out and signs on to the Trump campaign.

Gotta figure Trump's well-aware of Christie's political lineage and that if he goes with Christie, he's also signing up for whatever fundraising and political machine muscle Barbara can throw his way--either explicitly/openly, or implicitly and in the background.


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Health issues will sideline Hillary, paving the way for President Elizabeth Warren.


Ha. One dim bulb to another dimmer bulb.


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Based on that list Christie would be the pick. I don't think the Carson list is accurate.

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Edward Dickman wrote:
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Trump won't pick any of the losers that ran against him except for Christie. Christie is his emergency backup plan in case he can't find a real politician with clout.

no way in the world he picks Christie.


Not a good idea to have 2 unlikable pricks from the northeast on the same ticket. Trump needs a running mate from anywhere but the northeast. Kasich is an experienced and successful politician who is likable and would bring votes to Trump that he would not get without him. Kasich is also the only candidate who can shore up the right and deliver both the traditional conservative voters as well as Reagan democrats and blue collar voters.

Kasich certainly portrayed himself that way to those of us who knew little about him until this campaign. However, if you do a little digging on the internet you'll find that Kasich historically is neither a moderate nor a nice guy.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Edward Dickman wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Trump won't pick any of the losers that ran against him except for Christie. Christie is his emergency backup plan in case he can't find a real politician with clout.

no way in the world he picks Christie.


Not a good idea to have 2 unlikable pricks from the northeast on the same ticket. Trump needs a running mate from anywhere but the northeast. Kasich is an experienced and successful politician who is likable and would bring votes to Trump that he would not get without him. Kasich is also the only candidate who can shore up the right and deliver both the traditional conservative voters as well as Reagan democrats and blue collar voters.

Kasich certainly portrayed himself that way to those of us who knew little about him until this campaign. However, if you do a little digging on the internet you'll find that Kasich historically is neither a moderate nor a nice guy.


Very true.


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Some Ohio unions have endorsed him. He's a pragmatic politician.

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largest "in play" states based on 2012 results:

Florida 29 electoral
Penn 20
Ohio 18
VA 13

If Kasich plays well in Ohio, maybe he also helps out with Western Pennsylvania? What's Bernie Kosar up to these days.

Or Christie helps out with New Jersey/Eastern Penn? Unlikely NJ turns from Blue to Red, but then maybe Trump
somehow moves his home state into the Red.


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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Edward Dickman wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Trump won't pick any of the losers that ran against him except for Christie. Christie is his emergency backup plan in case he can't find a real politician with clout.

no way in the world he picks Christie.


Not a good idea to have 2 unlikable pricks from the northeast on the same ticket. Trump needs a running mate from anywhere but the northeast. Kasich is an experienced and successful politician who is likable and would bring votes to Trump that he would not get without him. Kasich is also the only candidate who can shore up the right and deliver both the traditional conservative voters as well as Reagan democrats and blue collar voters.

Kasich certainly portrayed himself that way to those of us who knew little about him until this campaign. However, if you do a little digging on the internet you'll find that Kasich historically is neither a moderate nor a nice guy.


But perception is reality and most people think he is a moderate and a nice guy.


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trump starting to get smart... by lying. he is now saying he wants a higher min wage and rich should pay more taxes. hes going to win if he keeps talkin like this.

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trump starting to get smart... by lying. he is now saying he wants a higher min wage and rich should pay more taxes. hes going to win if he keeps talkin like this.


:lol: :lol: :lol: It couldn't have been much more than three weeks ago he was screaming that an artificially high minimum wage was stifling American business. And he's sticking to his guns about his Reaganesque styled tax plan (that Reagan himself had to reverse in part). When will he lie again and claim now that he never called his daughter "hot" or that if she weren't his daughter, he'd... :wink:

Damn are middle American Republicans dumb. On top of being flaming...hypocrites. :lol:

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trump starting to get smart... by lying. he is now saying he wants a higher min wage and rich should pay more taxes. hes going to win if he keeps talkin like this.


:lol: :lol: :lol: It couldn't have been much more than three weeks ago he was screaming that an artificially high minimum wage was stifling American business. And he's sticking to his guns about his Reaganesque styled tax plan (that Reagan himself had to reverse in part). When will he lie again and claim now that he never called his daughter "hot" or that if she weren't his daughter, he'd... :wink:

Damn are middle American Republicans dumb. On top of being flaming...hypocrites. :lol:


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RR, Republicans are split along the lines of educated and uneducated classes. The WSJ article today shows that (I can't post graphic on page A4). The educated class see right through his lies and inconsistencies. The uneducated are drawn to his broad promises and seemingly contradictory outsider status. The fact that he stands against free trade, promises to bring back high paying middle class jobs, put up price rising trade tariffs, and keep out job competing Mexicans among other unlikely policy achievements just shows that people are seduced by sound bite politics. Those policies have no chance of becoming law.



In Battleground State, Voters Split on Trump
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READING, Pa. -- In this city of shuttered factories and falling incomes, Donald Trump's swagger and promises to get tough with trading partners have rallied Republicans and shown signs of drawing working-class voters to the party.

A short distance away, in the thriving office parks of Montgomery County, Republicans worry that those same qualities are repelling upper-income GOP voters.

That's the tricky electoral math that Mr. Trump faces in an expected general-election push to win Pennsylvania and industrial Midwest states that haven't backed a Republican for president in decades.

Mr. Trump's working-class appeal has helped add new Republicans to the voter rolls in the area around Reading, one of the nation's poorest cities. But in adjacent and more populous Montgomery County, Republicans fear Mr. Trump could amplify a recent tilt into the Democratic camp. Democrats there have made bigger gains than the GOP in voter registration.

"That's the worry," said Art Bustard, a 61-year-old who owns a promotional-products business in Montgomery County. Mr. Trump, he says, "is very popular with small-business men, contractors, machine-shop operators," but he must show "the professional class that he's not going to hurt them."

Mr. Trump's appeal among Republicans is broad but is most intense among the white working-class. While those voters are plentiful in the Rust Belt, winning the region would be difficult.

No Republican has carried Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin in a presidential election since the 1980s. President Barack Obama carried Michigan in 2012 by nearly 10 percentage points, Wisconsin by 7 and Pennsylvania by 5 points, or about 300,000 votes in that state. Ohio, where Republicans lost by 3 points, offered the region's only close contest.

Visits to Blue Bell, in Montgomery County, and Reading, in Berks, show the test facing Mr. Trump. He won both counties in Pennsylvania's primary last month, but he carried lower-income Berks by 12 percentage points more.

Hillary Clinton, the presumed Democratic nominee, easily won Montgomery County in the Democratic primary, by a margin of 18 percentage points over Sen. Bernie Sanders, while she lost Berks County by 2 points.

Bonnie Stock, 66, a retired high-school math teacher who leads the Berks County GOP, says the excitement around Mr. Trump has been overwhelming.

"Leading up to the primary, 98% of the calls I had were about Trump," she said. "I would get up in the morning and start answering calls. For three days in a row, I didn't eat breakfast until 2 or 3 in the afternoon."

At a gathering of the county's GOP committee last week, many said they wanted their presumptive nominee to head into the general election with the bravado he displayed in the primary, though a few had reservations about comments some considered insulting to women.

"I don't want him to tone it down," said Carla D'Addesi, 44, a radio talk-show host and mother of three, who said local voters were "craving to make America great again."

Mr. Trump's demeanor, by contrast, is a potential hurdle in Montgomery, one of four counties in the state where he didn't break 50% in the primary. Josh Arnold, executive director of the county Republican committee, said he wants the New Yorker to end what he called "the whole 'I'm willing to fight you on the playground' thing."

Montgomery County Republicans also said it was time for Mr. Trump to lay out a clearer governing agenda and to clarify his position on taxes, national security and trade.

To temper his persona, "he needs to pair it a little more with an articulation of policy," said Brian Gondek, 40, an attorney and restaurateur who is running for the state Senate.

In Berks County, many Republicans said their enthusiasm for Mr. Trump wasn't driven by policy plans or white papers.

"The policies, correctly, are at the end, after he goes through the process of everyone else being eliminated" from the presidential race, said Ivan Torres, 68, a former community college professor.

A Trump campaign representative didn't respond to a request for comment.

Since November, Republicans in Berks have added 4,400 voters to the party's rolls, nearly twice the number Democrats have gained. And even some Democrats say they see signs that members of their party will flip to the GOP.

But in Montgomery County, Democrats have added more voters -- more than 10,700 since November, versus about 7,100 additions to the GOP rolls.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News/Marist survey conducted last month found Mrs. Clinton leading Mr. Trump by 15 percentage points among registered voters in the state. A Quinnipiac poll released last week found Mrs. Clinton ahead by a single point, 43% to 42%.

National polling outlines the task ahead for Mr. Trump.

In Wall Street Journal/NBC News surveys this year, Mr. Trump draws significantly more support among white men who lack a college degree than did the party's last nominee, Mitt Romney. But Mr. Trump underperforms Mr. Romney significantly among most other groups, especially among white voters with four-year college degrees.

Of 15 people at the Berks County GOP meeting last week, seven had voted for Mr. Trump during the primary. Most of the others said they would back him in November.

Richard Gromis, a 63-year-old financial adviser, warned that withholding a vote from Mr. Trump would help Mrs. Clinton.

Eric Arnold, 48, a trucking-industry consultant, said he marveled that Mr. Trump won 65% of the primary vote in his neighborhood outside Reading.

"The people in my precinct want someone who is going to go in there and blow it all up," he said.

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RR, Republicans are split along the lines of educated and uneducated classes. The WSJ article today shows that (I can't post graphic on page A4). The educated class see right through his lies and inconsistencies. The uneducated are drawn to his broad promises and seemingly contradictory outsider status. The fact that he stands against free trade, promises to bring back high paying middle class jobs, put up price rising trade tariffs, and keep out job competing Mexicans among other unlikely policy achievements just shows that people are seduced by sound bite politics. Those policies have no chance of becoming law.


...Eric Arnold, 48, a trucking-industry consultant, said he marveled that Mr. Trump won 65% of the primary vote in his neighborhood outside Reading.

"The people in my precinct want someone who is going to go in there and blow it all up," he said.

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Eight years ago the same folks who want to "blow it all up" now had their nuts caught in a bind by the prospect of a toothless old Weatherman who vaguely associated with Obama. He represented the end of the world, to hear them tell it. A heathen, a populist wolf in sheep's clothing bent on "blowing up" America because he was a Muslim. Nevermind that 35-40 years earlier Ayers was generally around with big talkers who wanted to blow up the status quo, but befitting the relatively pampered status of young Americans never really did much in the grand scheme of things. Hell, to hear republican/"conservative" mouthpieces (& their mouth breathing lemmings) tell it, they're still scared of the closet Muslim & his long dead Jewish mentor (Alinsky). Roll THAT one around for awhile :lol:

But now daft, muddle headed, uneducated but by good God fearin' Uhmurricans want to "blow it all up". These "salt of the earth" conservative types are too stupid to even know what that means. Especially to them. Welcome to middle America. "Flyover country" (for a reason).

Seacrest asked me once how I can not be a Republican. Given the state of this party and who/what you are forced to stand together with, I wonder how he still can be?

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if she weren't his daughter, he'd...

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trump starting to get smart... by lying. he is now saying he wants a higher min wage and rich should pay more taxes. hes going to win if he keeps talkin like this.


:lol: :lol: :lol: It couldn't have been much more than three weeks ago he was screaming that an artificially high minimum wage was stifling American business. And he's sticking to his guns about his Reaganesque styled tax plan (that Reagan himself had to reverse in part). When will he lie again and claim now that he never called his daughter "hot" or that if she weren't his daughter, he'd... :wink:

Damn are middle American Republicans dumb. On top of being flaming...hypocrites. :lol:


Facts don't matter. The only thing that matters is how the person makes you feel.


Correct, calling them "dumb" and making that a reason for all of this is drawing the wrong conclusion. If I'm misreading your intentions, RR, please forgive me.

People simply don't give a flying fuck anymore. He could switch everything to the opposite of what he originally said and then switch back 30 days later and no one would care. Not voters and not the media entertainers. No one.

The attacks on Trump, wherever they come from, will only make him and his followers stronger and more pissed off. He's like Bishop from the X-Men or old school comic book Incredible Hulk.


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Consider this your quadrennial reminder that VP selection means pretty much jack shit when it comes to swaying an individual state, at least because of said nominee being from that state.

Every time I open this thread and see something stupid about someone being able to deliver a state or region of the country, I'm just going to quote this. I don't care how many times I have to do it.


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trump starting to get smart... by lying. he is now saying he wants a higher min wage and rich should pay more taxes. hes going to win if he keeps talkin like this.


:lol: :lol: :lol: It couldn't have been much more than three weeks ago he was screaming that an artificially high minimum wage was stifling American business. And he's sticking to his guns about his Reaganesque styled tax plan (that Reagan himself had to reverse in part). When will he lie again and claim now that he never called his daughter "hot" or that if she weren't his daughter, he'd... :wink:

Damn are middle American Republicans dumb. On top of being flaming...hypocrites. :lol:


Facts don't matter. The only thing that matters is how the person makes you feel.


Correct, calling them "dumb" and making that a reason for all of this is drawing the wrong conclusion. If I'm misreading your intentions, RR, please forgive me.

People simply don't give a flying fuck anymore. He could switch everything to the opposite of what he originally said and then switch back 30 days later and no one would care. Not voters and not the media entertainers. No one.

The attacks on Trump, wherever they come from, will only make him and his followers stronger and more pissed off. He's like Bishop from the X-Men or old school comic book Incredible Hulk.


Someguy gets it. Lots of people are tired of the same bullshit from BOTH parties and Trump is taking advantage of it, all the way to the Whitehouse.

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I am really digging this Filipino, Duterte aka Duterte "Dirty" Harry. He won based on what Juiced said. The fact that he plans to execute 100,000 criminals and dump them in the Bay of Manila, well, that would be an interesting campaign pledge to fulfill. I also like his plan to take a jet ski to a disputed island in defiance of China and plant the national flag on it.

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it doesn't matter, unless Sanders runs as an indy, but Kasich.

Clinton cannot lose. It is not possible.


It is very possible.

well, no, it's not. Again, unless Sanders runs as an indy or he becomes Trump's VP.

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Consider this your quadrennial reminder that VP selection means pretty much jack shit when it comes to swaying an individual state, at least because of said nominee being from that state.

Every time I open this thread and see something stupid about someone being able to deliver a state or region of the country, I'm just going to quote this. I don't care how many times I have to do it.


For someone to actually believe that a VP candidate from Ohio woukdn't bring more Ohio votes to his ticket than a VP candidate from any other state is just plain stupid.


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