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Maddow should've known something was up when the return address had S. Bannon on it

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if he released his taxes, would you even trust anyone in the mainsteam media to accurate summarize their contents? Or would they just cherry pick items to fit their desired narratives (even fox could try to spin positive items more than they are actually worth)?

Forget biases, I don't think anyone in the mainstream media is competent enough to break down a tax return.

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if he released his taxes, would you even trust anyone in the mainsteam media to accurate summarize their contents? Or would they just cherry pick items to fit their desired narratives (even fox could try to spin positive items more than they are actually worth)?

Forget biases, I don't think anyone in the mainstream media is competent enough to break down a tax return.


Not even the people on CNBC?

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WE'LL NEVER KNOW IF DONALD TRUMP IS BEHOLDEN TO THE ALIENS FROM ZARNACK 9! RACHEL MADDOW IS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!

Wasn't this the kind of "I'm just asking questions, because we don't know if..." shot that Fox News got absolutely lampooned for re: Obama's birth certificate and death panels?


It's exactly like asking Obama to prove that he's an American and that he got good grades.

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if he released his taxes, would you even trust anyone in the mainsteam media to accurate summarize their contents? Or would they just cherry pick items to fit their desired narratives (even fox could try to spin positive items more than they are actually worth)?

Forget biases, I don't think anyone in the mainstream media is competent enough to break down a tax return.


Not even the people on CNBC?

Do you think Jim Cramer can break down a tax return? None of those guys are CPAs or have real experience working in accounting or tax law. They are journalists who happen to have been given a business beat.

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Nas wrote:
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WE'LL NEVER KNOW IF DONALD TRUMP IS BEHOLDEN TO THE ALIENS FROM ZARNACK 9! RACHEL MADDOW IS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!

Wasn't this the kind of "I'm just asking questions, because we don't know if..." shot that Fox News got absolutely lampooned for re: Obama's birth certificate and death panels?


It's exactly like asking Obama to prove that he's an American and that he got good grades.


Using the lack of a response to a question or request as a platform for wild speculation and insinuation is incredibly similar between the two instances.

"We need Obama's birth certificate because we don't know whether he has family or friends in al qaeda."

is very similar to

"We need Trump's tax returns because we don't know whether he's going to direct the Fed to pay off his personal debt to Russian gangsters."

It's the wild insinuation via speculation ("I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!") that is the unethical bit, it has nothing to do with the reasonableness of the original request.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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WE'LL NEVER KNOW IF DONALD TRUMP IS BEHOLDEN TO THE ALIENS FROM ZARNACK 9! RACHEL MADDOW IS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!

Wasn't this the kind of "I'm just asking questions, because we don't know if..." shot that Fox News got absolutely lampooned for re: Obama's birth certificate and death panels?


It's exactly like asking Obama to prove that he's an American and that he got good grades.


Using the lack of a response to a question or request as a platform for wild speculation and insinuation is incredibly similar between the two instances.

"We need Obama's birth certificate because we don't know whether he has family or friends in al qaeda."

is very similar to

"We need Trump's tax returns because we don't know whether he's going to direct the Fed to pay off his personal debt to Russian gangsters."

It's the wild insinuation via speculation ("I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!") that is the unethical bit, it has nothing to do with the reasonableness of the original request.


Something tells me that you could have found a better comparison. Carry on not defending Trump.

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The president leaked them. Sad!

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Does he pay a higher percentage than Warren Buffett?

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Maddow getting roasted. This thread was entertaining reading, thanks.

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billypootons wrote:
if he released his taxes, would you even trust anyone in the mainsteam media to accurate summarize their contents? Or would they just cherry pick items to fit their desired narratives (even fox could try to spin positive items more than they are actually worth)?



That's definitely true, but it's no reason not to release his returns. And if he had released them in a normal time frame during the campaign they would not have been met with the same type of scrutiny.

I've often pointed out the heavily biased way the media is covering Trump and it's been characterized as a "defense" of him which could not be further from the truth. But Terry's Peeps and others have mentioned more than once that Trump does not help himself with the way he behaves. That is the truth of course, but still no justification for throwing all standards of coverage out the window.

Similarly, the fact that Trump has never been accepted into the highest levels of New York society doesn't excuse his boorishness and vulgarity. But neither are such boorishness and vulgarity any reason to align oneself with the naked classism of old money New Yorkers.

One thing his tax returns would likely show is that he is nowhere near being a billionaire as he likes to claim. Also- and this is one of the reasons New York society has rejected him- he gives almost no money to charity. This fucker is no philanthropist.

This is a story I read that shows how really despicable Trump is. There was a good chess team at a poor black school in the Bronx. They were trying to travel to a big tournament but they were $5000 short of the money they needed to be able to go. Trump showed up in his limo and came in and gave a speech to the team and he pulled out one of those big fake checks for $1,000,000. Cameras were snapping and everyone was smiling. After all the reporters were gone Trump went into his wallet and handed the chess coach $200 in cash.

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I don't get this argument of his "dodging" taxes. It's immaterial. If I knew of a legal loophole to use to avoid paying my taxes, I'd sure as hell use it. He was correct when he said it made him "smart."

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I don't get this argument of his "dodging" taxes. It's immaterial. If I knew of a legal loophole to use to avoid paying my taxes, I'd sure as hell use it. He was correct when he said it made him "smart."


Yeah, but it also makes him seem like a dick. Not that he should willfully pay more than he has to, but he was a rich guy not paying his share while campaigning as Everyman.

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His voter base didn't seem to care that he wasn't releasing his returns anyway. Now they'll find out after the fact that it wasn't necessarily how he said, and they'll be shocked.

Just like when they lose their healthcare.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:39 am 
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Maddow should've known something was up when the return address had S. Bannon on it

And the fact that it says "client copy" right on it.


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I don't get this argument of his "dodging" taxes. It's immaterial. If I knew of a legal loophole to use to avoid paying my taxes, I'd sure as hell use it. He was correct when he said it made him "smart."


Yeah, but it also makes him seem like a dick. Not that he should willfully pay more than he has to, but he was a rich guy not paying his share while campaigning as Everyman.

Yeah, this is what makes him 'seem' like a dick. :lol:

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Good showing all around

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Obama lowered taxes.

Thanks Obama

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that's a very dumb graphic

Exactly, but Fox News is gonna get mileage out of it anyway.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Killer V wrote:
I don't get this argument of his "dodging" taxes. It's immaterial. If I knew of a legal loophole to use to avoid paying my taxes, I'd sure as hell use it. He was correct when he said it made him "smart."


Yeah, but it also makes him seem like a dick. Not that he should willfully pay more than he has to, but he was a rich guy not paying his share while campaigning as Everyman.

Yeah, this is what makes him 'seem' like a dick. :lol:



You're laughing, but really there is one single trait that makes the guy an asshole and that is his enormous ego. Everything else that he says or does comes directly from that. I was watching a Chomsky interview where he spoke about Trump and Chomsky basically kept coming back to the fact that nobody knows Trump's positions on anything. "I suspect he doesn't really have any. Other than 'ME!'" :lol: (Also, Chomsky said, "Trump says many things that I would say, but for completely different reasons." :lol: :lol: )

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Maddow getting roasted. This thread was entertaining reading, thanks.

Good. It was a total publicity stunt. The release should have been nothing more than a tweet linking to a photo of the pages.

Instead she built everyone up over two hours, then made a 20 minute fear speech that insinuated she could prove it all by these tax leaks.

The result was a big nothing, and even her guest that got the leaks said it was nothing. It was almost like she didn't talk to the guy before he went on air with her.

What a fucking joke. Never trust a lesbian.

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Maddow getting roasted. This thread was entertaining reading, thanks.

Good. It was a total publicity stunt. The release should have been nothing more than a tweet linking to a photo of the pages.

Instead she built everyone up over two hours, then made a 20 minute fear speech that insinuated she could prove it all by these tax leaks.

The result was a big nothing, and even her guest that got the leaks said it was nothing. It was almost like she didn't talk to the guy before he went on air with her.

What a fucking joke. Never trust a lesbian.


They should have just told Trump to release it himself. When I saw it last night I knew Trump leaked it. I saw today that it was the client's copy that was released. Nothing about those 2 pages made him look bad in any way.

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Obama lowered taxes.

Thanks Obama

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Pretty great how badly Maddow is getting torched today for this stunt.

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Pretty great how badly Maddow is getting torched today for this stunt.


Yes

The Left should stop trying to copy what is successful for the Right.

They tried with talk radio and failed miserably.

They tried with cable "news" and are a joke.

Just stop.

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Pretty great how badly Maddow is getting torched today for this stunt.


Yes

The Left should stop trying to copy what is successful for the Right.

They tried with talk radio and failed miserably.

They tried with cable "news" and are a joke.

Just stop.

You suck.


It just doesn't work. Besides that ANYONE with a working brain should have known that Trump's 2005 returns -that the president likely leaked- weren't going to hurt him and weren't news worthy.

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Pretty great how badly Maddow is getting torched today for this stunt.


Yes

The Left should stop trying to copy what is successful for the Right.

They tried with talk radio and failed miserably.

They tried with cable "news" and are a joke.

Just stop.

You suck.


It just doesn't work. Besides that ANYONE with a working brain should have known that Trump's 2005 returns -that the president likely leaked- weren't going to hurt him and weren't news worthy.

People with working brains don't watch MSNBC.

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