Not about the sentence I originally said was wrong.

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Show me and a buddy her bullet wound on her leg looked gnarly as fuck.

Off topic but still gnarly

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But they aren't. In Afghanistan only 1 in every 250,000 rounds fired kills an insurgent, and there aren't many multi million hospitals staffed by trained trauma surgeons in Afghanistan to treat them.

Coalition troops are twice as likely to be killed by an IED than a gunshot (these are UK stats, I cant find US ones...I figure its probably close).

?? Was anyone saying that since there is a terror situation happening fairly often there are no longer racist killers still around.

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I'd consider racist killings another form of terrorism
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None of that is relevant, and let's stop talking about war scenarios. We are clearly talking about domestic policy here. There are a million factors that would affect those statistics, not just the efficiency to kill someone of a gun. If we were in the same room and I had a gun and wanted to kill you, you would be dead if you weren't armed. Same if you the scenario is reversed. It's really that simple. Your scenarios don't apply because not every single bullet is fired with the sole intention of killing, most people aren't trained or skilled shots, and a lot of victims won't get the chance to get trauma care before dying, and it also doesn't factor in getting shot several times for a no doubter murder.

Listen, I really don't feel like arguing with you on this since we're more or less on the same side. But saying a gun isn't an efficient way to kill someone is just a ridiculous statement. There's nothing more efficient in the hands of someone trained to use it.

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The vast majority of people shot with a handgun survive.

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Yes. We've covered that. I guess you agree a gun isn't an efficient way to kill someone.

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The most efficient way to kill a woman is to put her behind a steering wheel.

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The large majority of people in plane crashes survive too.

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That seems unlikely to me but I assume there is a stat to show that it is true.

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If a truck driver and a cop each have guns and try to kill eachother in a plane that is crashing, does either even die?

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Well how ridiculous do you want to make this?
In terms of lethality handguns aren't has lethal as rifles or shotguns. Not nearly as efficient.
And rifles and shotguns aren't as efficient as grenades.
Grenades aren't as efficient as mgs.
Mgs aren't as efficient as artillery.
Artillery isn't as efficient as napalm.

Of course a well placed handgun round can be lethal. So can a well placed knife slash. So can a well placed punch or kick to the nose.

I'm really not sure what your argument is.

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Well, you certainly did get ridiculous with it.

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Dude not really. When you're talking efficiency you have to view it in relative terms.
Handguns are not efficient at killing.
In a domestic scenario shotguns are rifles are significantly more efficient. It's really not even close.

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I couldn't have been more clear about what "my argument" is. I'm not sure why you're having trouble comprehending it. A gun is an efficient tool to kill a person with. That's literally it.

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Read America's original sentence I said was wrong. He said firearms. Not handguns.

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I'm really glad Lakemoorfest isn't anything like these threads.

So why are we talking about gun control and not the ideology that encourages this?

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Ok. Well, truth is that's not entirely true. I suppose it's a matter of semantics. Are you talking about efficiently killing one person? Many? With which type of handgun or round?
For example, if you were looking to kill as many people as you could in say a stadium, would a handgun or a pressure cooker with some ball bearings and gunpowder be more efficient? If you were looking to kill one person, would a rifle, shotgun or handgun be more efficient? With respect to deadly weapons, handguns are not terrible efficient. If you're comparing to handguns to knives or harsh language, handguns are more efficient.
The operator should also be taken into consideration. Most operators of handguns are not sufficiently qualified to make the as efficient or more efficient than other firearms or other methods of killing.
It's all relative and it cannot be accurately stated that handguns are an efficient means of killing.

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You left out nuclear bomb. A nuclear bomb is more efficient at killing someone than a handgun is. That's important to note when talking about gun control and gun violence.

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Threads evolve.

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Well, agree to disagree I guess. You and America are the first two people I've ever heard say that I think.

Ogie, I'll take it to a new thread.

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This is true, but these numbers are a little skewed. They consider what happened to the Michigan basketball team a "plane crash." If you are on a plane that is falling out of the sky, say your prayers.

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I think you get the idea dude. The point, which is quite obvious, is that it's a quite clear America is correct, firearms aren't terribly efficient. That's not to say they're not lethal, as they clearly are.

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I really couldn't disagree more. Frankly, I think it's an insane opinion.

I'm curious to hear ToxicMasculinity's take on it.

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That doesn't really mean it is skewed though just like the numbers for deaths by gunshot include getting shot in your pinky.

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