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I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.



But you're looking at it within the context of the existing paradigm. First of all, Chicago has far more officers per capita than most communities. I believe it's about 45 cops per 10,000 residents. I don't think if you broke down Chicago into districts of 10,000 people and their 45 officers had to police the area where those 10,000- and they themselves lived- that there would be a lot of selective enforcement. The cops aren't going to want to live in a crime-infested community. Maybe cops could even be elected to eight years terms, although that obviously adds a political component. Whatever, there has to be a better way than how we're doing it.


There are plenty of instances of problems in policing in small towns due to a lack of enforcement against favored residents.

Yeah, every town has families that if you belong to them you aren't going to get charged for crap and if you do its going to get dismissed because the judge is best friends with your uncle's neighbor who happens to be your lawyer or the the county attorney. I'm not sure that's the case when you get to 10,000 people populations but for sure in the sub 5000 towns.


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I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.



But you're looking at it within the context of the existing paradigm. First of all, Chicago has far more officers per capita than most communities. I believe it's about 45 cops per 10,000 residents. I don't think if you broke down Chicago into districts of 10,000 people and their 45 officers had to police the area where those 10,000- and they themselves lived- that there would be a lot of selective enforcement. The cops aren't going to want to live in a crime-infested community. Maybe cops could even be elected to eight years terms, although that obviously adds a political component. Whatever, there has to be a better way than how we're doing it.


Slightly off topic, but the way day to day policing has been done since at least the 70's in this city is a colossal joke, and local politics only makes it worse. I'll simply cite last week's 4 murders at a fast food spot in a rough part of my own neighborhood. I've lived in this area for 45 years and for 35 of them, three local spots(incl. that one) have been the biggest problem and have been largely ignored.

The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.

And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:

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I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.



But you're looking at it within the context of the existing paradigm. First of all, Chicago has far more officers per capita than most communities. I believe it's about 45 cops per 10,000 residents. I don't think if you broke down Chicago into districts of 10,000 people and their 45 officers had to police the area where those 10,000- and they themselves lived- that there would be a lot of selective enforcement. The cops aren't going to want to live in a crime-infested community. Maybe cops could even be elected to eight years terms, although that obviously adds a political component. Whatever, there has to be a better way than how we're doing it.


Slightly off topic, but the way day to day policing has been done since at least the 70's in this city is a colossal joke, and local politics only makes it worse. I'll simply cite last week's 4 murders at a fast food spot in a rough part of my own neighborhood. I've lived in this area for 45 years and for 35 of them, three local spots(incl. that one) have been the biggest problem and have been largely ignored.

The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.


And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:



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The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.

And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:


We obviously do not have a shared experience when it comes to policing. I am curious to know what you think the best way to go about handling a problem like you write about.

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The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.

And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:


We obviously do not have a shared experience when it comes to policing. I am curious to know what you think the best way to go about handling a problem like you write about.



Expecting cops to solve problems that arise from shattered home lives is unfair and unrealistic.

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The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.

And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:


We obviously do not have a shared experience when it comes to policing. I am curious to know what you think the best way to go about handling a problem like you write about.



Expecting cops to solve problems that arise from shattered home lives is unfair and unrealistic.


Sure but there are ways to go about trying. The gamut from let the community handle it self to martial law are the extremes I guess.

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pittmike wrote:
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The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.

And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:


We obviously do not have a shared experience when it comes to policing. I am curious to know what you think the best way to go about handling a problem like you write about.



Expecting cops to solve problems that arise from shattered home lives is unfair and unrealistic.


Sure but there are ways to go about trying. The gamut from let the community handle it self to martial law are the extremes I guess.



The city has been "trying" for years, and the results just keep getting worse.

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The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.

And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:


We obviously do not have a shared experience when it comes to policing. I am curious to know what you think the best way to go about handling a problem like you write about.


Stopping the dumbassed practice of aimlessly cruising up and down streets instead of maintaining a constant presence in long known hotspots would be a nice start. Cracking down on certain "store/gas station" owners would help as well, if for nothing else, quality of life issues. It's a legal, logical way around the worst elements of stop and frisk, and would make bad business (es) quite a bit more responsible for the messes they help foster.

Just to start. We can leave the economics & societal issues for others here, just hopefully not like they've been ignored for 45 years. And fwiw, this city didn't do anything to address it except for a few years in the mid 80's and then Daley completely blew them up.

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The swarming of an area after something happens has never worked, just like the pricey blue light cameras Daley corruptly put in 25 years ago. Having a constant presence on those three corners actually works on the 2x a year CPD wants to pose for the news cameras grinning and in formation. Two days later, they've been abandoned and nothing has changed. Actual neighborhood cops know this and try to work at it, but the demands to drive aimlessly up and down streets for show are too pressing, especially with the Hegwisch and Mt. Greenwood cops over represented around here who are afraid of their own shadows and start their days only wanting to go home.

And then take politically provided joke retirement jobs working for Monterrey Security, or "guarding" utility worksites(which are usually no show jobs, trust me). And then kicking back into the Regular Democratic Organization of Cook County. And the FOP.

And lets not pretend that the collar counties aren't guilty of the same with Metra, Tollway and local police/govt workers out there. Just voting on the other side. :lol:


We obviously do not have a shared experience when it comes to policing. I am curious to know what you think the best way to go about handling a problem like you write about.


Stopping the dumbassed practice of aimlessly cruising up and down streets instead of maintaining a constant presence in long known hotspots would be a nice start. Cracking down on certain "store/gas station" owners would help as well, if for nothing else, quality of life issues. It's a legal, logical way around the worst elements of stop and frisk, and would make bad business (es) quite a bit more responsible for the messes they help foster.

Just to start. We can leave the economics & societal issues for others here, just hopefully not like they've been ignored for 45 years. And fwiw, this city didn't do anything to address it except for a few years in the mid 80's and then Daley completely blew them up.


Seems sensible. Having cops stay in areas long term would help I think as they get to know people. I wonder where the tipping point is between things like you say and when people complain of two many cops everywhere.

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Seems sensible. Having cops stay in areas long term would help I think as they get to know people. I wonder where the tipping point is between things like you say and when people complain of two many cops everywhere.


When the trust on either side is fatally violated.

For the record I generally like cops because is often the case, like many cops, I too am something of an admitted asshole. :lol: And that's even as I've had cops pull guns on me and identify me as a defendant in trials (wrongly), and have known about their most egregious abuses back to the early 80's.

But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.

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But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure and the danger of pulling someone over but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.

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But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.

that profession attracts so many dickheads

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But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.

that profession attracts so many dickheads


This is a long read but well worth it. It will make your blood boil.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/melissasegura/ ... .bpLzaBG86

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.

that profession attracts so many dickheads


That become their own worst enemies in so many ways

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.

that profession attracts so many dickheads


This is a long read but well worth it. It will make your blood boil.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/melissasegura/ ... .bpLzaBG86

Christ! That was disturbing.This guy's a psychopath.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.

that profession attracts so many dickheads


That become their own worst enemies in so many ways

RR, is that Lorraine Hansberry? Wasn't expecting that!

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I can't imagine having been at a worse party than the ones I was where there were groups of off duty cops. The glory stories and all they can get away with or allow is troubling.

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But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.

that profession attracts so many dickheads


This is a long read but well worth it. It will make your blood boil.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/melissasegura/ ... .bpLzaBG86


that was truly awful . it's just mind blowing to think about how many layers there are how deep the corruption is. it's basically everyone


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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.

Isn't there a town in California that has an alderman or something that is an illegal?

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No.


everyone agrees with me and we still go three pages

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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.



Didn't you say that you are in favor of non-citizens serving in the military?

Pretty sure the Department of Defense is signing those paychecks, and members of the military are government employees.

Also what constitutes government employment? Is someone employed by a public state university a government employee?


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But I still would like to trust and respect cops upon every initial meeting. I just far too often don't feel the simple courtesy is reciprocated. i think therein lies the proverbial rub.


Right. I can't even imagine what it's like for a black dude, but it's bad enough for a white guy. Cops generally just don't give a fuck about what the citizen thinks and then they wonder why so many of us dislike them.

Here's just a small really minor example that I saw this week. It's nothing like framing somebody or shooting someone in the back but it's the kind of little annoying thing cops do all the time. It was rush hour traffic and a cop had pulled a woman over. Fine. She was speeding or whatever, but it was obvious she wasn't a member of the Manson Family. Instead of having the woman pull onto the side street that was right there and going in behind her so motherfuckers could get home from work, the cop put his car on an angle blocking one and a half lanes of traffic. Just because he could. He wanted to. He couldn't be bothered to think of anyone else. And I'm sure a cop would say some bullshit about procedure and the danger of pulling someone over but that's just claptrap. They piss on the community whenever they want and then get indignant that they aren't some respected class of people.


Here's another very minor example: I just went to go pick up lunch from my beloved burger joint at 111th & Western. They do have a small lot that's shared with a few other businesses, but basically no street parking unless you get real lucky. As I'm waiting for my food a cop walks in to order. As i'm leaving I see he parked right on the corner of the intersection in an obviously illegal spot, and actually blocked a portion of the crosswalk. That's clearly an example of "Im above the law", and while minor, it clearly conveys like you say, that they don't give a fuck what other people think. How hard would it have been to park in a legal spot ? Like maybe 2 minutes more of his time ? It's hard to reconcile something like that with giving people parking tickets for a street cleaning where the signs were posted after the fact, or countless other similar petty examples


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Here's another very minor example: I just went to go pick up lunch from my beloved burger joint at 111th & Western. They do have a small lot that's shared with a few other businesses, but basically no street parking unless you get real lucky. As I'm waiting for my food a cop walks in to order. As i'm leaving I see he parked right on the corner of the intersection in an obviously illegal spot, and actually blocked a portion of the crosswalk. That's clearly an example of "Im above the law", and while minor, it clearly conveys like you say, that they don't give a fuck what other people think. How hard would it have been to park in a legal spot ? Like maybe 2 minutes more of his time ? It's hard to reconcile something like that with giving people parking tickets for a street cleaning where the signs were posted after the fact, or countless other similar petty examples


what burger joint is at 111th and Western?

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Here's another very minor example: I just went to go pick up lunch from my beloved burger joint at 111th & Western. They do have a small lot that's shared with a few other businesses, but basically no street parking unless you get real lucky. As I'm waiting for my food a cop walks in to order. As i'm leaving I see he parked right on the corner of the intersection in an obviously illegal spot, and actually blocked a portion of the crosswalk. That's clearly an example of "Im above the law", and while minor, it clearly conveys like you say, that they don't give a fuck what other people think. How hard would it have been to park in a legal spot ? Like maybe 2 minutes more of his time ? It's hard to reconcile something like that with giving people parking tickets for a street cleaning where the signs were posted after the fact, or countless other similar petty examples


what burger joint is at 111th and Western?


http://www.manzosburger.com/

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Here's another very minor example: I just went to go pick up lunch from my beloved burger joint at 111th & Western. They do have a small lot that's shared with a few other businesses, but basically no street parking unless you get real lucky. As I'm waiting for my food a cop walks in to order. As i'm leaving I see he parked right on the corner of the intersection in an obviously illegal spot, and actually blocked a portion of the crosswalk. That's clearly an example of "Im above the law", and while minor, it clearly conveys like you say, that they don't give a fuck what other people think. How hard would it have been to park in a legal spot ? Like maybe 2 minutes more of his time ? It's hard to reconcile something like that with giving people parking tickets for a street cleaning where the signs were posted after the fact, or countless other similar petty examples


what burger joint is at 111th and Western?


http://www.manzosburger.com/

go change your life my friend

Hello tomorrow's lunch.....

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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.



Didn't you say that you are in favor of non-citizens serving in the military?

Pretty sure the Department of Defense is signing those paychecks, and members of the military are government employees.

Also what constitutes government employment? Is someone employed by a public state university a government employee?


I thought I was pretty clear regarding what I see as the difference in military service.

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RR, is that Lorraine Hansberry? Wasn't expecting that!


Yeah. Nicely played!

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RR, is that Lorraine Hansberry? Wasn't expecting that!


Yeah. Nicely played!

She's pretty awesome.

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I thought I was pretty clear regarding what I see as the difference in military service.


You were clear that is your position, but gave no rationale or reason why someone serving 4 years in the army is any better, more valuable, more deserving of citizenship, than say a specialist in the medical profession working for the CDC.

I'm guessing by your prior two comments saying: 1) No non-citizen should be allowed to work for the government; and (2) Non-citizens should be allowed to serve in the military, that you'd be fine with a world renown specialist in viral infections mopping the latrine in Ft. Hood, but under no circumstances would you want her working for the CDC.

Seems like a well thought out position.


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