So let them die, then?

So you really don't see any difference between a human life and a piece of property?

It sounds like that is what he prefers. Not even some IRS type lean on future wages based on a % of the med bills.

They aren't banned from being treated. They have to find a way since they chose not to prepare for this.

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I see the point of having to experience a penalty for choosing to be irresponsible and ignore insurance. They do not have to lose their life but maybe they can be made to exhaust all of their finances and property to go toward their care.

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I believe this is what happens in the real world, and then they can get Medicaid. I'm not 100% certain though.

People on here are acting like I want them shot the moment it begins. I have said nothing about the alternative ways they can get treatment. My point is that if you choose to not have insurance, and you can afford it, then you bear the responsibility for what happens in the worst case scenario.

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Make them the Doctor's Butler

Two things:

First, I don't see property and human life to be the same thing. I'd be hesitant to subsidize someone's risk of flood, but I have no problem subsidizing the costs of treatment for deadly health conditions. At the end of the day, though, I will agree with you that if we had a system as such, no one would buy health insurance. That's why I think single payer is the way to go.

Second, just to be clear, our conversation yesterday about property insurance was focused around the financing mechanism for insurance, and I was pointing out that it would be financially impossible for private insurance companies to just pay for anything. That doesn't mean I'd be philosophically opposed to government-run insurance for markets that the private sector can't or won't take on. They already exist, anyway. That's what the NFIP or the California Earthquake Authority do, and we all pay for them. They aren't self-funded, even though they're supposed to be.

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you mean, good people? like people involved in doing good for others? those people are cool.

identitarians, however, are a plague on rationality, history, the class structure, and community.

not really the issue. the issue is that some can't afford it.

Check your privilege, mister.

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If we are really getting into specifics here, both are talking about major financial ruin and not the life or property. You may lose your house and empty your bank account but you are going to get the cancer treatments. Doctors and hospitals will work with you and eventually you do qualify for Medicaid I am almost certain.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I've already said that if you truly can't afford it the government should provide it. Many could afford it and choose not to have it.

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JORR outLIBS you by a mile here.

AKA..Single Payer. Glad you are onboard now Rick.

Well, there is a difference. If your house burns down and you're not insured, you are financially ruined.

If you get cancer and don't have insurance, you're either financially ruined or you're going to die. I think we should aim for the former.

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I'm not sure he disagrees with me on healthcare. Is he a single payer guy?

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You better hope not, if you wanna win this thing

Fine. Uninsured but could have afforded it and you get cancer? Government takes your house, all your money, and garnishes future wages but pays for 100% of it. Sound good?

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Sure.

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OH WHAT A MOVE BY BULL HURLEY!!!

Rick is trying to WIN this thing.


Fake ass liberal JORR is probably having lunch at the Union Club with Todd Ricketts.

Your opponents today aren't really reading it seems. Anyway, new idea! Give the ones that can afford it but chose not to buy insurance the equivalent of a student loan payoff for the provider. They will pay a small amount for the rest of their lives.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

For 30 days until the rematch.

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If thece takers who add no value to society just worked harder and sold that fancy winter coat they always wear in December or that AC unit they irresponsibily use all the time in summer then theyd have enough money to purchase health insurance. Its' really that simple. Buy only what you can afford becuz the way the world works is that your needs will always always be affordable.

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libtard's personfied:

I don't think there was movie I watched more as a yoot on cable than The Last Starfighter.

That's the thing though. "You" (the royal you) won't deal with it. You will go to the hospital, and our tax dollars will end up bailing you out. I don't think anyone having a grabber is going to go "meh. Oh well"

Ok?

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Oh yeah, fuck those poor bastards with cancer. Let's cure them and then leave them destitute on the corner shaking a tin cup. Win Win!

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What's funny? Do you honestly think somebody in dire need of medical care is going to say "nope. I made the choice" and just die? No. They're gonna call 911, the ambo will take you to the hospital and they will treat you.