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Anti-American speech was prevalent in the Middle East before 9/11.

Surely no one thinks that started in 2001.

Right?


I'd never heard that it was specifically taught in the Koran until post 9/11.

What you reference backs up my argument regarding foreign policy and not religion. I know the great Ogie purveyor of truths and pervading falsehoods will somehow find a way to disagree.

Then you probably weren't paying much attention. Don't feel bad, not many people paid attention.
I know anti American speech isn't taught in the Koran but certainly the Koran doesn't look very favorably on non Muslims, right?

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Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Anti-American speech was prevalent in the Middle East before 9/11.

Surely no one thinks that started in 2001.

Right?


I'd never heard that it was specifically taught in the Koran until post 9/11.

What you reference backs up my argument regarding foreign policy and not religion. I know the great Ogie purveyor of truths and pervading falsehoods will somehow find a way to disagree.

Then you probably weren't paying much attention. Don't feel bad, not many people paid attention.
I know anti American speech isn't taught in the Koran but certainly the Koran doesn't look very favorably on non Muslims, right?


It doesn't look favorably upon "infidels" from what I know about it. It seeks retribution against those that it believes has wronged Muslims. Actually growing up my conception of Islam was that it was a religion of peace. Whole "peace be unto you my brother" thing.

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long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Anti-American speech was prevalent in the Middle East before 9/11.

Surely no one thinks that started in 2001.

Right?


I'd never heard that it was specifically taught in the Koran until post 9/11.

What you reference backs up my argument regarding foreign policy and not religion. I know the great Ogie purveyor of truths and pervading falsehoods will somehow find a way to disagree.

Then you probably weren't paying much attention. Don't feel bad, not many people paid attention.
I know anti American speech isn't taught in the Koran but certainly the Koran doesn't look very favorably on non Muslims, right?


It doesn't look favorably upon "infidels" from what I know about it. It seeks retribution against those that it believes has wronged Muslims. Actually growing up my conception of Islam was that it was a religion of peace. Whole "peace be unto you my brother" thing.

Now tell us, who are the "infidels"

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Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Anti-American speech was prevalent in the Middle East before 9/11.

Surely no one thinks that started in 2001.

Right?


I'd never heard that it was specifically taught in the Koran until post 9/11.

What you reference backs up my argument regarding foreign policy and not religion. I know the great Ogie purveyor of truths and pervading falsehoods will somehow find a way to disagree.

Then you probably weren't paying much attention. Don't feel bad, not many people paid attention.
I know anti American speech isn't taught in the Koran but certainly the Koran doesn't look very favorably on non Muslims, right?



I think ltg is right in that Western political/military action has been the impetus for the spread of an increasingly more fundamental reading of the Koran. But the fact is, the material is there to be interpreted the way it is. It's not like ISIS is practicing some bastardized version of the religion. This isn't like Santeria, for example. It's a straightforward reading of the text.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:48 pm 
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their faith is frequently depicted as sanctioning pedophilia, coupled with intolerance for homosexuals and women.

Okay, where's the lie?

yep, statements regarding this are 100% accurate and can easily be backed up. Just try living as a gay man in Iran, as a woman in Saudi Arabia, or tell us about the child brides still relatively common in some MidEast countries.



You neglected to tell us how any of that makes them a threat to the United States. If you were really concerned about the treatment of Muslims is really troubling for you then you'd complain about the damn bombs being dropped in their damn countries. You'd also complain about the treatment of them by groups in Non Muslim countries. You'd don't so save your sympathy you damn hypocrite.

I'm not saying they are a threat to the US. I'm stating that it is not hateful, but rather accurate to bring light to the homophobia, misogyny, and pedophilia, which are rampant in hardline Islamic societies.

Also, I think I've made my view on the Iraq war and drone bombings quite clear... So go ahead, call me a hypocrite again, I'm pretty sure I've criticized the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in just about every thread where I have posted about them. Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

I can say that our wars there are wrong, but I can also say that Islamic practices as seen in Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. have no place in the 21st century.



I don't condone Islamic practices. Never have. If this country were truly concerned about human rights violations we would never ally with Saudi Arabia. I know there will be a bullshit reason provided as to why but it still doesn't change the fact that an alliance exists.

Muslim society also never appeared to be very troubling pre 9/11 either. It only became troubling once this country and it's leaders needed a convenient rationale for war.


tell that to these guys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings or those people held in Tehran or those who lost their lives on the USS Cole. Want me to go on. How about this list,seems a lot of the activity predates 9/11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Anti-American speech was prevalent in the Middle East before 9/11.

Surely no one thinks that started in 2001.

Right?


I'd never heard that it was specifically taught in the Koran until post 9/11.

What you reference backs up my argument regarding foreign policy and not religion. I know the great Ogie purveyor of truths and pervading falsehoods will somehow find a way to disagree.

Then you probably weren't paying much attention. Don't feel bad, not many people paid attention.
I know anti American speech isn't taught in the Koran but certainly the Koran doesn't look very favorably on non Muslims, right?



I think ltg is right in that Western political/military action has been the impetus for the spread of an increasingly more fundamental reading of the Koran. But the fact is, the material is there to be interpreted the way it is. It's not like ISIS is practicing some bastardized version of the religion. This isn't like Santeria, for example. It's a straightforward reading of the text.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Darkside wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Anti-American speech was prevalent in the Middle East before 9/11.

Surely no one thinks that started in 2001.

Right?


I'd never heard that it was specifically taught in the Koran until post 9/11.

What you reference backs up my argument regarding foreign policy and not religion. I know the great Ogie purveyor of truths and pervading falsehoods will somehow find a way to disagree.

Then you probably weren't paying much attention. Don't feel bad, not many people paid attention.
I know anti American speech isn't taught in the Koran but certainly the Koran doesn't look very favorably on non Muslims, right?


It doesn't look favorably upon "infidels" from what I know about it. It seeks retribution against those that it believes has wronged Muslims. Actually growing up my conception of Islam was that it was a religion of peace. Whole "peace be unto you my brother" thing.

Now tell us, who are the "infidels"

LTG, we still are waiting for your answer here.

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