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Did you or will you vote today?
Poll ended at Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:35 am
Yes - I voted / will vote for the candidate I like 71%  71%  [ 24 ]
Yes - I voted / will vote for the other party just to screw with them 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
No - I didn't know it was today, but now that I know I will vote. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No - I never vote in the primary elections 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
What's it to you??? 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 34
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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Why would I vote for something that I oppose?

I am opposed to both a Clinton and an Obama presidency, and see little, if any difference between the two in their mutual deference to the Washington Consensus.

I will NEVER vote for either of them in a primary or a general election.

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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Alot of that has to do with if you consider yourself an idealist or a realist. If you are a realist you do things based on material outcome and how practical the outcome is. An idealist would believe that this country was based on free election, and that we are free as people to vote for whoever we deem most fit, and voting for Kucinich would be more of representative of that freedom than voting for the status quo.


There is always a so called lesser of two evils. I would rather vote for someone I didn't like then essentially not vote and have someone I hate get elected. Voting for someone that has no chance is similar to the reason people give for not voting at all.


I agree with you, I too am a realist.

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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Alot of that has to do with if you consider yourself an idealist or a realist. If you are a realist you do things based on material outcome and how practical the outcome is. An idealist would believe that this country was based on free election, and that we are free as people to vote for whoever we deem most fit, and voting for Kucinich would be more of representative of that freedom than voting for the status quo.


There is always a so called lesser of two evils. I would rather vote for someone I didn't like then essentially not vote and have someone I hate get elected. Voting for someone that has no chance is similar to the reason people give for not voting at all.


Of course the old retort to this argument is that when you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil.

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You're right Midget. I guess a vote for Edwards could be a protest vote. It's better than not voting at all I suppose.



Very true. If one wishes to protest, nothing is accomplished by not voting.


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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Alot of that has to do with if you consider yourself an idealist or a realist. If you are a realist you do things based on material outcome and how practical the outcome is. An idealist would believe that this country was based on free election, and that we are free as people to vote for whoever we deem most fit, and voting for Kucinich would be more of representative of that freedom than voting for the status quo.


There is always a so called lesser of two evils. I would rather vote for someone I didn't like then essentially not vote and have someone I hate get elected. Voting for someone that has no chance is similar to the reason people give for not voting at all.


I agree with you, I too am a realist.


To me this argument is persuasive only to people who are politically detached or cynical. I spend a fair amount of time and energy working to change the current political order, and thus would never vote for something or someone that stands in direct opposition to the change that I want to see enacted.

If one is convinced that he or she cannot change the world around him, however, I can see the appeal of the "lesser of two evils" argument.

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Do you vote in the other elections? If so I'm sure there are people on the ballot that you don't know anything about or that you know very little about.


Actually, that's not true. I did a lot of research before voting.

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A vote for Edwards is a vote against America.


Agreed.


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Just got back. Put my "I Voted" sticker on my guitar case.

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I enjoy not casting a vote for offices in which a person is unopposed, especially in my particular ward. The election judges love to treat it as if the ballot should not be counted, but that is not true. In reality, a good analyzer of an election with these circumstances can see that there is real discontent when there are valid ballots with no vote cast.


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I voted a coupe of weeks ago in the MI primary. Makes you feel good inside. And like giving blood you get a sticker and a cookie. Yep we have home made cookies at our polling place.


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Tall Midget wrote:
Why do you assume that votes for Edwards are the product of the "uninformed"? Couldn't it be that a vote for Edwards is an informed rejection of both Obama and Clinton, and the "audacious" deference to power that their candidacies collectively embody? Couldn't a vote for Edwards function as a message to the Democratic party that it needs to re-engage with its base instead of waging war on it?


No.
That's a vote for Paul.
A vote for Edwards is just some dumbshit not realizing he quit the race.

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Tall Midget wrote:
Why do you assume that votes for Edwards are the product of the "uninformed"? Couldn't it be that a vote for Edwards is an informed rejection of both Obama and Clinton, and the "audacious" deference to power that their candidacies collectively embody? Couldn't a vote for Edwards function as a message to the Democratic party that it needs to re-engage with its base instead of waging war on it?


No.
That's a vote for Paul.
A vote for Edwards is just some dumbshit not realizing he quit the race.


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I voted a coupe of weeks ago in the MI primary. Makes you feel good inside. And like giving blood you get a sticker and a cookie. Yep we have home made cookies at our polling place.


Our polling places aren't allowed to give out home made stuff cause of peanut allergies :(
It's a sad fucking day when they have to resort to kindergarten "treat" rules cause some old had thinks that walnuts are a part of the chocolate chip cookie recipe.
Our freedoms are being stolen from us by special interest groups!!!

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To me this argument is persuasive only to people who are politically detached or cynical. I spend a fair amount of time and energy working to change the current political order, and thus would never vote for something or someone that stands in direct opposition to the change that I want to see enacted.

If one is convinced that he or she cannot change the world around him, however, I can see the appeal of the "lesser of two evils" argument.


You and I largely agree, given that I largely vote conscience until November :cry: .

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I largely vote conscience until November :cry: .


I largely vote present, although if you were a visual learner I wouldnt need to tell you that.

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