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Speaking of Idiotic facebook posts, I saw someone post a link that a man in China went on a stabbing spree.

This was supposed to be an argument that guns are not the problem.


Guess how many of the 22 kids this guy stabbed died?

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Yes. But it's easier to pass tougher gun laws than it is to diagnose and treat everybody with a menal illness. So, while we're working to better treat the mentally ill, let's at least make it tougher for them to get guns.

Easy to say treat them all. But that can't happen. Some people just don't have the time or money to get help. Nor do the families of the mentally ill.


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Yes. But it's easier to pass tougher gun laws than it is to diagnose and treat everybody with a menal illness. So, while we're working to better treat the mentally ill, let's at least make it tougher for them to get guns.

Easy to say treat them all. But that can't happen. Some people just don't have the time or money to get help. Nor do the families of the mentally ill.

It's even deeper than that. What causes the mental illness? Those things can be dealt w/, & I don't mean that they'll be solved up in a nice tidy 1/2 hr., like some sitcom, but over time things can improve.


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An anchor at the news desk interviewed a mom on the phone...and then the mom gives the phone to their child who was in the school during the shootings...WTF?

The 8 year old was asked:

"So...tell us what happened in there"

"Were you scared?"

"What happened when you heard the shots?"

What is wrong with people?

I think it's unconscionable for a media member to ask a child to relive something like that. It's even worse for the parent to willingly hand the phone to the child. Where the fuck is the journalistic integrity?

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The story is that kids and teachers are dead. Nothing that a child says in a media interview is going to change that.

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The story is that kids and teachers are dead. Nothing that a child says in a media interview is going to change that.

Yeah I hear about the "public needs to know" shit and it's stupid. We know enough. They're going to talk about this dude for weeks and then the next time something like this happens the media will wonder why they did it. Sure, reason #1 is the person is mental, but somewhere on the list is that the media will make you famous. Columbine, VaTech, Littleton, Aurora, even the Norweigan dude, most people their names. The older folks here still know Lauria Dann and she "only" killed one kid. Someone asked me if he just wanted to kill his parents, why did he kill all those kids too. I certainly don't know, but I could see someone saying fuck it, I'm going out in a Young Guns/Bon Jovi Blaze of Glory.


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We,as a society, can talk about this tragedy until we are blue in the face. In the end,all you can do is shake your head,say some prayers and hope tomorrow brings a better day. I know there are more human tragedies ahead,but hope is part of the human condition.

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It's even worse for the parent to willingly hand the phone to the child.


Exactly. It is hard for me to wrap my mind around any parent that would allow their child to do that.

The reporters are bad enough, but the parents need to be horse whipped.

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SomeGuy wrote:
An anchor at the news desk interviewed a mom on the phone...and then the mom gives the phone to their child who was in the school during the shootings...WTF?

The 8 year old was asked:

"So...tell us what happened in there"

"Were you scared?"

"What happened when you heard the shots?"

What is wrong with people?

I think it's unconscionable for a media member to ask a child to relive something like that. It's even worse for the parent to willingly hand the phone to the child. Where the fuck is the journalistic integrity?


There's a clear lack of ethics these days in the media.

I could give the parents a pass, giving them the excuse that they were too distraught to think clearly, but I won't.


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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
It's even worse for the parent to willingly hand the phone to the child.


Exactly. It is hard for me to wrap my mind around any parent that would allow their child to do that.

The reporters are bad enough, but the parents need to be horse whipped.


And the tone of the anchorwoman was like she was talking to a child, which she was, which made it all the more disturbing.

Ghe same tone that a parent would use whilst asking a child how their fieldtrip to the zoo went.

SomeGuy wanted to reach through the screen and choke some people.


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We're going to have metal detectors at every public entrance in our lifetime...

Most modern elementary schools require you to be buzzed in to enter the school. I think metal detectors are more common in high school where the students might be carrying.

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
We're going to have metal detectors at every public entrance in our lifetime...


No, we're not. Think about what your saying. All of the owners are gonna pay for metal detectors. Cuz if you have the metal detectors you also have to have a security staff to operate and see everybody through. Cuz if somebody does have a gun walking through a movie theatre, then what? The teenage girl taking tickets collects the gun? She forces him to leave? That's gonna work. Owners of public places are gonna pay for this? No. That would mean every McDonalds if you're talking about every public entrance in America. Let's be realistic.


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Im just fucking numb thinking about those poor little kids. Its beyond any kind of evil I would think a person can do.

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Im just fucking numb thinking about those poor little kids. Its beyond any kind of evil I would think a person can do.


I can't get beyond this very thought. Tried.

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Isn't Connecticut one of the more stricter states as far as gun laws go?

I understand and respect those people who have negative feelings about guns in general. Crazy people will find a way to carry out their plan regardless of any laws.


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The guns that he used were owned legally by his mother. Strict laws in Conn? I don't know. Maybe. But I'll bet there are no red flags when a kintergarden teacher wants a gun.

Although something sounds fishy. I don't know why mom would want 3 guns, especially the one he used to kill everybody in the room. But that's what the reports say. She owned them.


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Sadness all day long for the parents and the innocent children that are affected by this. Scared for the future for my son and trying to wrap my head around things and the type of world that we live in now.

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The guns that he used were owned legally by his mother. Strict laws in Conn? I don't know. Maybe. But I'll bet there are no red flags when a kintergarden teacher wants a gun.

Although something sounds fishy. I don't know why mom would want 3 guns, especially the one he used to kill everybody in the room. But that's what the reports say. She owned them.

The shootings seem to have been done with the handguns.
Not the assault rifle.

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I'm just guessing here, obviously. But I'll bet the son asked mom have the guns in her name cuz he was red flagged. For whatever reason, she did.

I just don't believe there are too many 50 year old women who are kintergarden teachers living in middle class suburbs in New England that buy 3 guns. This was a town of 600 people. Mostly families. Boring little town with no crime.


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Just a sick fuck. Hard to believe someone can do something this sinister. Somebody had to know this guy had a screw or 5 loose.

Incredibly sickening pitiful human being.

And I better not hear any crap about him having issues and deserving sympathy either.

People like this belong dead and he did the world a favor.

Burn in Hell.


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Just a sick fuck. Hard to believe someone can do something this sinister. Somebody had to know this guy had a screw or 5 loose.

Incredibly sickening pitiful human being.

And I better not hear any crap about him having issues and deserving sympathy either.

People like this belong dead and he did the world a favor.

Burn in Hell.


I hope you know those are separate things.

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Just a sick fuck. Hard to believe someone can do something this sinister. Somebody had to know this guy had a screw or 5 loose.

Incredibly sickening pitiful human being.

And I better not hear any crap about him having issues and deserving sympathy either.

People like this belong dead and he did the world a favor.

Burn in Hell.


I hope you know those are separate things.

And even if they're not, feelings like that are the reason people who need mental health treatment don't get it.


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In this age of instant information and everyone wanting to be first, the reporting has been brutal.

I've seen 1 shooter, 2 shooters. The victim outside the school has been his father, brother and mother. The brother was the shooter. The mother was a teacher killed in school. Now, she was a past volunteer killed at home. BUT, at least they reported it first!


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This psycho shot his mother, then went to the school with 3 guns.

Unfucking believable.

Dec 14, 9:28 PM EST


Gunman kills 26 at Conn. school, commits suicide

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NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) -- A man killed his mother at their home and then opened fire Friday inside the elementary school where she taught, massacring 26 people, including 20 children, as youngsters cowered in fear to the sound of gunshots reverberating through the building and screams echoing over the intercom.

The 20-year-old killer, carrying at least two handguns, committed suicide at the school, bringing the death toll to 28, authorities said.

The rampage, coming less than two weeks before Christmas, was the nation's second-deadliest school shooting, exceeded only by the Virginia Tech massacre that claimed 33 lives in 2007.

"Our hearts are broken today," a tearful President Barack Obama, struggling to maintain his composure, said at the White House. He called for "meaningful action" to prevent such shootings. "As a country, we have been through this too many times," he said.

Police shed no light on the motive for the attack. The gunman, Adam Lanza, was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and lived with his mother, said a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but was not authorized to discuss it.

Panicked parents looking for their children raced to Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, a prosperous New England community of about 27,000 people 60 miles northeast of New York City. Police told youngsters at the kindergarten-through-fourth-grade school to close their eyes as they were led from the building so that they wouldn't see the blood and broken glass.

Schoolchildren - some crying, others looking frightened - were escorted through a parking lot in a line, hands on each other's shoulders.

Law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that Lanza killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, and then drove to the school in her car with at least three guns, including a high-powered rifle that he apparently left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms. Nancy Lanza was a part-time substitute at the school, according to a parent.

Authorities gave no details on exactly how the attack unfolded. But a custodian ran through the halls, warning of a gunman on the loose, and someone switched on the intercom, alerting people in the building to the attack - and perhaps saving many lives - by letting them hear the hysteria going on in the school office, a teacher said.

Teachers locked their doors and ordered children to huddle in a corner or hide in closets as shots echoed through the building.

State police Lt. Paul Vance said 28 people in all were killed, including the gunman, and a woman who worked at the school was wounded.

Lanza's older brother, 24-year-old Ryan, of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, but a law enforcement official said he was not believed to have had a role in the rampage. Investigators were searching his computers and phone records, but he told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.

The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation.

At one point, a law enforcement official mistakenly identified the gunman as Ryan Lanza. Brett Wilshe, a friend of Ryan Lanza's, said Lanza told him the gunman may have had his identification. Updates posted on Ryan Lanza's Facebook page Friday afternoon read, "It wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher. "That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he said. "He was very brave. He waited for his friends."

He said the shooter didn't utter a word.

Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs. Teachers told her to get in a corner, he said. "It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said. His daughter was uninjured.

Theodore Varga was in a meeting with other fourth-grade teachers when he heard the gunfire. He said someone had turned on the intercom so that "you could hear people in the office. You could hear the hysteria that was going on. I think whoever did that saved a lot of people. Everyone in the school was listening to the terror that was transpiring."

Also, a custodian ran around, warning people there was someone with a gun, Varga said.

"He said, `Guys! Get down! Hide!'" Varga said. "So he was actually a hero." The teacher said he did not know if the custodian survived.

On Friday night, hundreds of people packed a Newtown church and stood outside in a vigil for the victims. People held hands, lit candles and sang "Silent Night" at St. Rose of Lima church.

Anthony Bloss, whose three daughters survived the shootings, said they are doing better than he is. "I'm numb. I'm completely numb," he said at the vigil.

Mergim Bajraliu, 17, said he heard the gunshots echo from his home and ran to check on his 9-year-old sister at the school. He said his sister, who was uninjured, heard a scream come over the intercom. He said teachers were shaking and crying as they came out of the building.

"Everyone was just traumatized," he said.

Mary Pendergast said her 9-year-old nephew was in the school at the time of the shooting but wasn't hurt after his music teacher helped him take cover in a closet.

Richard Wilford's 7-year-old son, Richie, told him that he heard a noise that sounded like "cans falling." The boy said a teacher went out to check on the noise, came back in, locked the door and had the children huddle in the corner until police arrived.

"There's no words," Wilford said. "It's sheer terror, a sense of imminent danger, to get to your child and be there to protect him."

On Friday afternoon, family members were led away from a firehouse that was being used as a staging area, some of them weeping. One man, wearing a T-shirt without a jacket, put his arms around a woman as they walked down the middle of the street, oblivious to everything around them. Another woman with tears rolling down her face walked by, carrying a car seat with a baby inside.

"Evil visited this community today and it's too early to speak of recovery, but each parent, each sibling, each member of the family has to understand that Connecticut - we're all in this together. We'll do whatever we can to overcome this event," Gov. Dannel Malloy said.

Adam Lanza and his mother lived in a well-to-do part of Newtown where neighbors are doctors or hold white-collar positions at companies such as General Electric, Pepsi and IBM.

At least three guns were found - a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car, authorities said.

The shootings instantly brought to mind such tragedies as the Columbine High School massacre that killed 15 in 1999 and the July shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., that left 12 dead.

"You go to a movie theater in Aurora and all of a sudden your life is taken," Columbine Principal Frank DeAngelis said. "You're at a shopping mall in Portland, Ore., and your life is taken. This morning, when parents kissed their kids goodbye knowing that they are going to be home to celebrate the holiday season coming up, you don't expect this to happen."

He added: "It has to stop, these senseless deaths."

Obama's comments on the tragedy amounted to one of the most outwardly emotional moments of his presidency.

"The majority of those who died were children - beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old," Obama said.

He paused for several seconds to keep his composure as he teared up and wiped an eye. Nearby, two aides cried and held hands as they listened to Obama.

"They had their entire lives ahead of them - birthdays, graduations, wedding, kids of their own," Obama continued about the victims. "Among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children."


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Let's salute this custodian who appears to be a real hero, saving countless lives.


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Just a sick fuck. Hard to believe someone can do something this sinister. Somebody had to know this guy had a screw or 5 loose.

Incredibly sickening pitiful human being.

And I better not hear any crap about him having issues and deserving sympathy either.

People like this belong dead and he did the world a favor.

Burn in Hell.


I hope you know those are separate things.

I just don't want people coming out and making excuses for this guy. Anyone who can kill children in cold blood does not deserve any sympathy.


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cpguy wrote:
Let's salute this custodian who appears to be a real hero, saving countless lives.


There's also a music teacher who put fifteen kids in a closet, and sealed the door while the murderer was banging on it, screaming to let him in. :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut:

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Let's salute this custodian who appears to be a real hero, saving countless lives.


There's also a music teacher who put fifteen kids in a closet, and sealed the door while the murderer was banging on it, screaming to let him in. :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut:


Indeed. What a horrific scene. Just mind-boggling.


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