You say this over and over, and its 100% wrong. The lax climate was not created by a lack of dress code. It was created by the airlines themselves who seem to treat their operation more like cattle herding in than anything else. I understand that they are a business and have to turn a profit, but when they treat people without any care or respect then that is what you are going to get out of your passengers.

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Why do you think appropriate dress exists at all? Why don't you tell your boss you feel more comfortable in pajamas.

Anyway, I don't see how acting like a savage on a plane is revenge on the airline executives you are complaining about.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It is interesting how dress standards have changed. As I read through this thread, I recalled that the Three Stooges did the majority of that show in suits. I always thought it was strange for a slapstick comedy show to have its stars doing the show all dressed up. Today, they would be wearing "Who farted" t-shirts.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

You seem to be the expert in their field, so you tell us.

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This is a solid point. I have never worked in an office that requires a sport coat. Why is that?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

But you agree that there is an appropriate level of dress in your office. Obviously you believe in some standard. With regard to commercial flight, we're simply in disagreement on what that standard should be. If your standard is whatever doesn't bother anyone else, then you must have no objection to someone flying in just a jockstrap. Maybe he can recline his balls on your face.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Who is forcing you? Why not just stick with the same philosophy you use on airlines? Come to that wedding or funeral in shorts and gym shoes. Who does it bother? Do you feel peer pressure at to dress a certain way at these events?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm not defending the true extremes like someone wearing a jock strap. I'm saying that dressing like a normal person does in normal life isn't a problem.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

As I said, I understand that certain special occasions call for a unique dress code. It just shouldn't be extended to mundane every day things.

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I would drape myself in velvet, if it was socially acceptable.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Not long ago "normal" people didn't dress like savages on commercial airliners. We're on a slippery slope toward jockstraps.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Are you the arbiter of the special and the mundane?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Never Forget (your sport coat).

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We aren't there now though. When that happens, we can talk.
Well, I'd be fine if dress codes were relaxed for those events above. I just understand why special occasions are different. Flying is not a special occasion.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Suits, ties, coats, and fedoras used be worn at MLB games and the horsetrack too, but I guess its OK for Joe Orr to dress like a savage at the ballpark.

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You're acting like it's a matter of tradition rather than manners.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It has nothing to do with manners. Wearing shorts, a shirt, and gym shoes should not be offensive to anyone. And if it is, fuck that person. Problem is with them. It's not our responsibility to make sure those around us aren't offended by stupid shit.

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Don't you think the guy wearing a suit is more likely to respect the game and the fans around him, more than the guy who is in flip flops and shorts taunting the other team, Joe Orr?

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Pajamas and sweatpants are bad enough. That's the point. You draw the line at jockstraps. I just draw it a little higher. I'm not requesting that Frank wear his tuxedo, although it would be fine if he did and certainly more respectful than dressing like a homeless bum.

Well, I'd be fine if dress codes were relaxed for those events above. I just understand why special occasions are different. Flying is not a special occasion.[/quote]

Maybe not for a big wig engineer like you. But flying is still special for a lot of people. Sadly, most of them treat it like they are reclining on their couches.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Why do you think you get to speak for others on what they should and shouldn't find offensive? Ditka doesn't think anyone should find "Redskins" offensive. That opinion is just as valid as what you just typed. And it's a recipe for a shit society, if you could call it a society at all. I'm gonna do what I want and if you don't like it, FUCK YOU! It's your problem.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Sure. I doubt Ligue would have attacked a coach if he had been dressed like a civilized human. The thing is I'm not trapped in a confined area for hours with the Ligues.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

boy this is sure awesome, we have a 359 page thread on this shit already, lets start another one !

It's better than arguing about 9/11 conspriracy theories!

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Ha! You're the same guy that agreed with us before on the dangers of a society where everybody gets to decide for themselves what's offensive and forcing the rest of society to act accordingly. So WYC Joe?

I'm not speaking for others here, just myself. I'm not telling you to not be offended by someone wearing shorts and a t shirt. I'm saying you deserve to be laughed at and mocked for that type of silly thought. Just like I would mock someone who is "offended" by gay marriage. Be offended by whatever you want, just don't expect others to change their behavior if they aren't actually doing anything wrong.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Shall we all laugh now or wait until later?

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

There are few things that offend me. I'm not offended by shorts and a t-shirt on a plane. I just think it coarsens what is already an unpleasant experience.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

See my response above.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm drawing the line at what is just normal. I don't see many guys dressed in jock straps at my local Subway. I do see plenty in shorts and a t-shirt.
Flying is not a special occasion. It's a mode of transportation. I fly more often than I ride a bus.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!