The ones aimed at closing the income gap and shifting policy to benefit more than just the ultra rich.

Which ones?

You have to get my point here.

Free tuition, one million government jobs for young people, free health care, free child care.

...or

Breaking citibank into old citibank and new citibank, microtaxes on stock trades, and raising the limit on social security taxes.

Which of those do you think really get the under 40 crowd going?

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Free tuition that was never gonna happen...

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Elections have consequences.

I dont separate those two groups. They are obviously linked.

All of them aim to tilt the balance back towards the middle class and away from the ultra rich.

Believe it is already happening in some other countries. And its not an ALL or none proposition.

You can take steps to make things affordable. Which is what Bernie is proposing.

No, he's proposing free tuition for all.

I don't understand the natural desire to defend/change Bernies bad ideas.

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Jim Jones ain't got nothing on Bernie Sanders.

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No he's not. He's proposing free tuition at public colleges.

See you're so used to spinning his ideas that even in trying to take me to task for spinning you STILL told a half truth at best.

Another example of this is the FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ALL spin instead of the factual "affordable child care for all"

I dont understand the separation of the ideas. If you income gap is a problem you have to empower the people on the bottom somehow.

If Bernie's ideas are bad, ok. What should be done then? Any ideas?

Not being sarcastic.

Are you kidding me with this?
It is not a half truth. All eligible students would have access to free college tuition. If you are going to call me a liar do better please.
"which will provide all children… ages six weeks to kindergarten, with access to a full-time, high quality, developmentally appropriate, early care and education program."

Since you are the expert on this, what will the costs be to get this? What if you can't pay or don't want to pay?

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Have Wall Street pay their fair share. Have the ultra rich pay more in taxes. Slowly ramp down military spending.

Use that money to pay for things we already can't afford rather than expanding the government by a massive amount and turning over so much of our lives over to them.

All Bernie is doing is trading current problems for new problems.

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Specific policies articulated on campaign trails are largely irrelevant I think - what you can and can't do when in office depends to a large degree on Congress and other factors. Even something like proposed tax hikes or cuts have to wait until the previous president's tax structures expire. That's why even though I am lukewarm on some of Sanders' policies, I understand things won't work as envisioned should he be elected. That's why it comes down, to me, vision. Getting money out of politics, for example, is a single issue but it has massive repercussions for the entire political system. He's on the right side of that discussion and he walks the walk too. That's part of the reason why I find him appealing.

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No, Im not kidding you. You're not being truthful. If you were, you would say public colleges because that is the truth.

And that is a difference. Your statements make it sound like he's proposing all college everywhere to be free. That is not the case.




Im not sure what that half quote is supposed to mean. Are we now agreeing that its not FREE CHILDCARE FOR ALL? (just like above you make it sound like he's proposing completely free child care everywhere for everyone)


If Bernie's ideas are so bad, then you shouldnt have to spin them. Go ahead and say Free tuition at public universities and affordable child care for all instead of FREE COLLEGE AND FREE DAYCARE.


I never said I was an expert. All I said is that you are spinning which you clearly are.

Bernie, Bernie, and Bernie.

And that is pretty much the opposite of Rubio's platform. I understand best of the bunch type thinking but I dont see how you could have supported him at all with that thinking.


Like what? What do you want to pay down? Will that help the poor now or in the future?

What problems will Bernie be creating?

That is just dumb.

I'm talking about people. You are just arguing to argue on this.
I can't find anything about what people would actually pay. What if I decide I don't want to pay anything?

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Rubio was not a perfect candidate. He was just the best of the bad Republican candidates. Just like Hillary is the best of the bad Democratic candidates. I'm not arguing about Rubio again. I've explained it directly to you before.
Our massive debt and how much we suck at the current programs we have now at paying for it(Medicaid, SS).
A massive takeover of much of our lives by the government.

All so we can trust them to run it better than they currently do health insurance or education...

I don't want the government expanding at the rate that Bernie wants it to. Our current government bungles a lot of stuff. No need to give them a lot more chances to do it.

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I don't attempt to speak for millions of other people; I'm sure there are a variety of reasons people like him.

I can tell you why I find him appealing, even though vegan pretty much summed it up very well a few posts ago. I certainly have my doubts on some of his economic policies. Some I like more than others. But I view him as a credible, honest, consistent guy who actually believes what he says.

I know you won't relate with me on this, which is fine, but he represents more than just policies to me. He represents a movement to change the rigged political system and, in many instances, a rigged economic system. He's not going to get elected, but he's causing America to have a very powerful and needed conversation, IMO. If you disagree, fine, but running around saying "all his supporters just want free stuff!" is asinine.

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For the record, I believe I said that is why he gets a majority of his support from the under 40 crowd.

You probably do well enough that the free stuff doesn't effect you as much.

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1. restore glass-steagall

2. financial transaction tax (inevitable, once the euro financial xTax kicks in)

3. give each potential wage earner 18 and older a $50K exemption from FICA taxes. Uncap taxes on "compensation" above the exemption. so 2 earner household, husband and wife. wife works while hubby plays x-box and smokes weed = $100K FICA exemption per year.

I disagree. I don't think your love goggles are helping you. He is career politician who has been in Washington for nearly 30 years and has NEVER proposed any of these policies or gotten a major piece of legislation that he authored passed. Despite this he has convinced millions that not only will he propose it but that he can get it passed. A guy when asked serious questions about his proposals proves that he lacks knowledge and specifics.

A guy that has been a reliable vote for Democrats whenever they need it has convinced everyone that he is independent. Sure they allow him to attach an amendment to legislation that he originally opposed so he can save face but they know he'll fall in line.

A guy who fundamentally disagrees with President Obama on nearly everything is afraid to go after the president's record because it will hurt him with Democratic voters. A guy that has said he will run a campaign only on the issues has openly mocked Hillary and recently attacked her character and qualifications. This same guy has convinced everyone that he isn't a politician.

A guy that attended some marches in the 60's and supported Jesse Jackson in the 80's has convinced blacks under 40 that he is a champion of their causes. Despite actually voting for the crime bill that Hillary gets attacked for because Bill Clinton got it passed. Despite not proposing 1 piece of legislation that would improve the lives of blacks in poverty in his 40 years as a politician and nearly 30 years in Washington.

The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.

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I think your hate goggles are blinding you. I don't feel like responding to everything you've written here, but I disagree with pretty much all of it, and it sounds like a Clinton Campaign commercial. Clinton supporters thought Bernie Sanders was an alright guy early on when he posed no threat. Now that he's a threat, he's a lying, cheating, meanie monster who hates minorities. Even if a lot of what you said is true, I literally don't care. The whole Democrat/Independent thing, I couldn't care less about. Also, if he did go after Obama, Hillary would spin it that he doesn't like black people, right? Why do you care whether he criticizes Obama? It's almost comical the things that people are coming up with. It should be enough just to say you don't think his policies are realistic and you don't think he could accomplish them, anyway. There's no need to look for absurd things to criticize him for.

We just disagree. It's fine.

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still don't think either party's eventual nominee is currently among the active candidates in these primaries.

Hillary's health will sideline her; the Repubs will broker Mitt or Kasich or someone other than either of the two fucktards currently vying for delegates in the primaries.

That's just a ridiculous notion. I don't agree with a lot of what Bernie says or proposes, but he's an actual respectable decent human being who generally does know what the fuck he is talking about. He's laid out a lot of specifics. He's not talking about doing something terrific and talking like a 5 year old in debates and town halls. He's not mentioning the size of his dick in his opening statements.

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This literally made me laugh out loud. Could you imagine if he did?

Yuge.

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I've never thought he was an alright guy. I was saying the same stuff before folks started falling in love with him. My issues with him has never been focused on his policies. It has always been about his character and his ability to do any of the things he has proposed.

You keep saying that it's not about his policies BUT you continue to ignore or dismiss anything that challenges your opinion about the personal qualities that you believe Bernie possesses.

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Because the "challenges" are dumb.

And I've said to me, it's about more than policies. I don't think it's wrong for someone to challenge his policies. Personally, I like him for more than just policies, though.

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I guess you missed the interview with the NY Daily News and any interview where he was asked tough questions.

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