Offering a free ID and then requiring said ID to vote is not a poll tax.

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I've only ever seen douches buy or use them. Ban them tomorrow.

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It still is if you have no convenient means of getting to a DMV to get one. Walker signed the Wisconsin voter ID law and immediately began closing DMV offices and keeping other ones open during only limited hours. I'm sure that was just all about government efficiency though.

Faster and more effectively are two different things. I can't for the life of me understand why people don't understand this. I know I can shoot two 8 round magazines much better and probably in a similar time to you shooting the same gun with a 16 round magazine. More "shots" a minute is something people who really don't know much about shooting fret over. I can swap out a magazine in under a second and resume shooting.

You don't know much about these things you're willing to outlaw.


Um... yeah. You can certainly kill 60 people in 15 minutes with your car. Kinda recent history lessons on that front.
The point is that you're in no position to determine the needs of anyone else. I couldn't think of a worse person to determine others needs than you in fact given your history of positions on mental health and other foreign policy issues.

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People who never fired a weapon always show their stripes when they think "spray and pray" is an effective strategy.

In fact the M16A2 had full auto removed in favor of 3 round burst because it is more effective.

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You think it's "gun nuts" who are uptight in the wake of mass shootings? Your queen is tweeting nonsense about silencers. You're really trying to earn your pussy hat, aren't you? #hillaryman

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My car, at 3200 lbs, 294 bhp, 340 lb-ft and a 160 mph top speed has the same killing power as someone's 2.4L Camry. We do have laws regarding which vehicles are street legal, and I would hope they are constantly being reviewed just as firearms laws should be.

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I told people this last time. They don’t want to hear it. That said spray and pray works for a crowd of 1200 with a tripod.

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Not with Sleight of Hand.

Yes, because crazy fucking Las Vegas shooters care about hitting specific targets and not just 'everyone down at a concert venue.'

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Yeah we do but do you NEED to have 294 hp? No. And do you NEED to go 160? Not really. In fact may be your car should come equipped with a governor that limits your speed to 55 because you really don't need to go faster. Maybe 75 or so out of the city area but I doubt you spend much time out of the suburbs so maybe 55 after all is all you need. We should limit you to that.

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and even with smaller magazines, he would get the same number of rounds out as you have to give your barrel breaks to cool. You heard those breaks in his shooting, those breaks were far longer than the time it takes to reload. Why was that? Because he needed to let the barrel cool.

Also, 30 round mags are easy as hell to 3D print on even the cheapest Maker Bot. Good luck regulating that. Any criminal who wants a larger mag will have one.

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They weren't exactly mowed down by him and his legal weapons either though, unlike the citizens at the concert.

But again, perhaps this is just pointing to the evergreen solution of more and better weapons in the hands of everyone; if someone at the concert had an assault rifle or rocket launcher maybe the killer is heroically stopped early on!


You can also "resist" peacefully or without needing tools regularly by private citizens to kill other citizens! And if you're defending the current laws as providing the means of resisting tyranny, then surely the credibility of such resistance depends on a relevant probability of victory, which under the current laws would seem to be next to nil.

You just seem to be advocating an ad hoc Goldilocks view of guns wherein current laws are not too dangerous to other citizens and not too toothless against the government but just right. The problem is I see no actual argument for this view.

The guy had an elevated point of attack, what 30 to 60 minutes of time to fire... Do you think it would have mattered if he had 20 15 round mags or 10 30 round mags? Or god knows how many magazines? Or what difference would mag limits make if he had speedloaders?

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Once again how many people are in this situation yet simultaneously have the ability to get themselves to the polls on a whim?

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I would love to discuss your entire post, but I really find it hard to believe you have not been on any major expressways in Chicagoland for the last 2 years. The suburbs have multiple 60 and 65 mph speed limit zones, and now that I-90 is completed, they will be able to finish the study to get that raised to 60 or 65 mph. Route 53, I-94, I-294, I-355 and I-88 have all jumped up incrementally, and studies are still underway to consider 70 mph in some stretches in Chicagoland.

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What is your solution though? I'm not against tighter gun control either but I still think, in one way or another, it is an important right for us as a people even if I'm not probably ever going to own one.

No, it has nothing to do with probability of victory. As I said a few times, no other army in the whole world would win a war against the United States. It's the greatest army in the history of civilization. A full scale war between citizens and that would result in no way that they lose. The "resist" movement would be about fighting back enough and defending enough to try and have either external or internal forces intervene to the point that we are able to defend against it.

Let me use a small scale example. If a high school kid wants to learn to defend themselves by training in a fighting discipline there can be value in it even if there is no chance that his fighting skills will be enough to fight off the entire football team if they determine that they want to hurt him. He may not even get one punch in before they get him. That doesn't mean there is no value in being able to defend yourself.

You just want to make it about extremes here. I think there is value in some level of civilian defense towards a potential violent dictator-like government takeover. That's it. Given the current rhetoric about Trump and him being a "fascist" I think now is a decent enough time to at least consider the possibility.

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This is fucking hilarious.

You forgot to include the dry weight of the amount of dust that has accrued around your cock and balls.

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There are hundreds of thousands of polling places in the US compared to the number of DMVs. Don't worry though, the same Republicans so concerned about voter IDs are also pushing for fewer and fewer polling places.

Gun nuts. Ammosexuals. Republicans. Whatever you choose to call them.

A lot.

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I don't have to have a complete solution to point out that the resistance to tyranny justification either doesn't do the work the people who cite it want it to do or suggests that more and more deadly weapons should be available to all.
If we're creating a deus ex machina in which some external power saves the day, why do we need the guns at all in this story? The US has certainly chosen to intervene in numerous countries worldwide and it's not so much a matter of the citizenry holding out long enough with their own weapons as it is what that government is actually doing to its citizens that generally prompts intervention.

You can think there's value to such resistance without having to use it as the primary justification for the current gun laws in this country or without deluding yourself that the status quo actually would allow for significantly more meaningful resistance to government tyranny than in countries without the 2nd Amendment.

Yep. Draft an amendment that will clarify. That's the process.

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I'd only want a gun for the zombie apocalypse.

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I think you get the point. I don't find you particularly smart but I know you're not stupid either.

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It's because that has been how it has worked for hundreds of years including in this country.
I'm not sure it is the primary justification. The primary justification is that it is an amendment which means that it is one of the most important laws we have and will be until it is changed.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that the gun ownership people would be fine if the militia part of it was removed completely as it is mostly used to say the types of things you are saying about how it is either outdated, or it wasn't designed for private gun ownership and instead was meant to ensure that the local people could have access to them when needed.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It would be very easy to install electronic governors on car speeds whatever it happens to be where you are.

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That's a great idea. After all my gps seems to know what the limit is.
Let's keep imu at that particular limit. He does not need to drive faster.
And I bet a lot more than 60 lives would be saved by such actions.

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