tommy wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
It's not really about opinion at this point, though. Proof is proof. What he is sending proves that he has access to these documents and pictures.
And that's fine that you dont mind if he's pretending to be someone he actually knows, but to me it's also very understandable why a veteran might take issue with that.
But if there is no proof, then no one can claim to be right. We would all still be guessing at that point.
It seems like everyone is setting up to just believe what they believed before this all started. That's fine but no one will have the grounds to say they know or it was proved.
It is about opinion though. Not taking the guy at his word is wrong. Just like accusing every new member of being a mult is wrong.
Sometimes i actually wonder if this is what prevents people from actively participating.
Honestly, and not to be a dick because you're my guy, ltg, but when you attack people irrationally or take bits of posts out of context to score points, it has a negative effect on the other people who would participate. That's probably the bigger problem, and I have been guilty of that, too, but we do have some serial offenders here and I know it's driven some reasonable people off.
Have I ever gone after you personally? Do you know why? because you have always been respectful towards me. I can name countless others that I have never attacked in that way. The guys that I go after had a pattern of always attacking personally. I tried for a while to be rational but then at some point that stops. It isn't about being a victim it is about being a Man. What is wrong with merely treating people as you want to be treated. The same goofs that brag about placing me on ignore were the same people that went out of their way to make every argument personal. When I started responding to them the way that they commented about it me they tried to make themselves out to be the "victim" by bragging about placing me on ignore.
I have no problem with disagreeing with people. It happens. Disagree without being disagreeable. However some people aren't used to having their opinions challenged on anything. That is one of the problems. I subscribed to this place over 10 years ago and for the first 7-8 years or so I never really checked for or commented much. One of the reasons was due to situations like this. For all the talk about the good ol days this place was one big gossip fest. Every time I'd check for the shows each and every thread it seems involved some sort of backstage intrigue. They didn't care much about the shows as much as they cared about the backstage shenanigans. WHich guys didn't like one another. Which guys were going to be moved. Lineup changes etc. I didn't even know that team sections existed because I never scolled down that far.
It is why guys like McNeil were so popular. He fed the beast with a lot of the "insider" info garbage that some of the longtime guys (that love to talk about the rocking old days) crave. He was their access to gossipy soap opera bullshit. You see that today with Dicaro and to a lesser extend Icegirl. Watch how this board lights up whenever she logs in to discuss a guy that 99.9% of Chicago would not even know existed.
If I have ran people away from this place then I apologize. I really do not believe that I have though. The guys that I make it personal with have a history of doing the shit with me. If they think that I am supposed to just "sit back and take it" then they are bigger idiots than first anticipated. I'm not.
It's good you said all this--seriously. There are probably several of us who could take it down a notch, though, because we're probably taking things out of context and doing something other than debating, which drives some people away. I think we need to humanize ourselves every once in a while. And nope, you never attacked me.
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