The buffoon or the Traitors. We report---you decide.

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Obama's Legacy is Trump.
And dead cops.

"One guy lays the pipe, the other guy smokes it"--Clint Eastwood

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Obama's Legacy is Trump.
And dead cops.

"One guy lays the pipe, the other guy smokes it"--Clint Eastwood

Terrified would be a more accurate description. The level of fear coming from Dem voters is unprecedented in my lifetime.

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It may have been pointed out earlier but every day it gets funnier and funnier to see the Democrats acting like we have a major issue with Russia that needs to be dealt with. Maybe Hillary should propose to raise the military budget to protect us from Russia!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Of course, they're terrified. MANY are terrified at the prospect of a foul mouth reality tv show star becoming President. He shows no self restraint and rarely acts in a Presidential manner. He is a playground bully. His temperament is ill suited for dealing with a national crisis.

If Russia invades Latvia
If China attacks Japan
If North Korea attacks the South
If terrorists attack New York
etc etc

I am sorry but I'd want Clinton in the White House over Trump. And I think everyone here knows how much I despise the traditional left.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

DNC Propaganda Arms have given Khan (a Clinton backer and operative) 50x more coverage than Patti Smith, the same Patti Smith that was brutally and constantly attacked by the Left ever since she called Killary on her lies.

#CoordinatedMediaAttack
#ClintonUsingDeadSoldiersAsBait
#NoShame
#3rdEstateIsNoMore.

The Clinton Bribe Foundation is pay to play operation and she owes MANY people a whole lot of favors. The Foundation is also Uber investigation too. As it should be.

Also, the owing of favors and the bribing of the Clinton's extends to being paid untold millions I'm speaking fees by banks and industry.

Comprised candidate? It's the grifter Hillary.

No.

This nothing to do with why they are afraid.

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I was listing why I am afraid. And why you should be afraid.

The country survived eight years of the Clintons, so I know what I am getting. Sure they f'd up our troops in Somalia and almost screwed up in the Balkans, but we're still here. I can't imagine what will happen after four years of Trump and his wild statements.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

20 January, 2017.
The day the music died.

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Obama's Legacy is Trump.
And dead cops.

"One guy lays the pipe, the other guy smokes it"--Clint Eastwood

Bill Clinton was in no way a warhawk. Here is what I find interesting. I'm sure there are quite a few people here that had no problem voting twice for George W. Bush. They voted for him knowing that he was in the pocket of big oil. They voted for him knowing that he started a war for no other reason than to get his hands on another country's oil reserves. They voted for him knowing of the Bush family's connections to the Saudi monarchy.

I'm willing to find out if the Clintons will be compromised by the foundation. I will take this chance if it means keeping the racist incompetent fool out of the white house. Merely wishing for anything "other than Hillary" wouldn't be enough for me. I'm a Hillary supporter more than a Trump hater. It's sad that the Republicans couldn't find a better candidate though.

There certainly is buyer beware with Trump and there should be. He is a fool and he has been emboldened by winning the Republican primary. To be frank if he were black he'd be Herman Cain in the eyes of most Republicans. He is stumbling his way through this campaign yet it should never have gotten this far.

It is really not the media's fault that people are beginning to see him for what he is and that's a damn fool. It is about time that it happened.

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The fool or the traitors who want us to be Germanic Sweden. Tough choice America.

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Obama's Legacy is Trump.
And dead cops.

"One guy lays the pipe, the other guy smokes it"--Clint Eastwood

Have any of you guys watched Clinton Cash? The Haiti thing was horrifying.....

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GOB: "My God, what is this feeling?"
Michael: "Could it be love?"
GOB: "I know what an erection feels like, Michael. No, it's the opposite. It's... it's like my heart is getting hard."

Anyone who is pulling for a "legitimate" non-establishment candidate should also be disgusted with Trump. We had a couple real possibilities of outsiders this year that many of us were excited about, and clearly the desire is there, but then this buffoon became the Republican candidate. Now MANY (especially young people) will equate a non-establishment candidate with this moron when that's not the case at all. To me, anyone who despises the Clintons and/or establishment politics should be even more pissed at Trump.

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The Economist did a long piece on the changing political landscape. It equated the current political dynamic to bridges up or bridges down. Meaning, do we want to pull up the draw bridges against the forces of globalization- like free trade and immigration, or accept progress toward a more integrated and diverse world. In the new political climate is not really left vs right but insular vs outward looking visions of the world.

How can you stop globalization? It is easier than ever to physically get anywhere in the world quickly. It is also easier than ever to see what is going on in the rest of the world with instant communications. The Economist suggests that instead of pushing back against globalization, it is better to accept it and make sure the benefits are shared more broadly across society.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

It was inevitable. Its also one of the main reasons that railing against free trade agreements is fallacious.

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Like telling a woman to stop fighting the rapist and just sit back and take it but to make sure she asks the rapist to at least go down on her.

Pathetic.

That kind of surprises me. You are against global free markets?

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Free trade is toughest case to make to the average person. You see it in the comments and perceptions on this site. The benefits of free trade are spread widely across society, while the downsides are concentrated among small, specific groups and locations.

The vast majority of job losses in manufacturing are mainly attributable to automation, not foreign competition. I have seen studies showing that foreign competition accounts for about 15% of manufacturing job losses with the balance coming from automation. Meaning, the majority of those factory jobs were disappearing anyway.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

It makes my point, left/right is disappearing, bridges up/down is the new political order.

And Someguy it is merely the progress of human society. A better analogy would be telling the guy in a horse and buggy that the roads are for cars. Only the Amish are still fighting that battle.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Part of the issue with point that Dennis and LTG just brought up is people are not overly concerned about "society" when one considers society the entire world. They are concerned with their own country and really not more. Actually they are more concerned about 20 square miles around where they live.

You can clearly see that the people that could possibly sweep Trump in are not really the folks around here. They are thinking a little more simply and maybe even selfishly. People can rant all they want and unions and other like organizations can endorse and try to get people to vote some way but in the booth it makes little difference. There are a lot of people for their own basic reasons attracted to him and he may be unstoppable.

This was seen so clearly during primaries etc. Yet no one believes it.

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Elections have consequences.

That's because you get your thoughts from the Economist.

A few weeks ago you mentioned that programmers were outsourced because "there weren't enough good American programmers". It's really just that they can pay them 1/3rd as much or even lower.

It's simple. Free Trade is great until it loses your job. When you have a job that is unlikely to be sent overseas then of course it sounds great.

We don't need to close down everything but we need to stop rewarding companies for leaving here and going overseas.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Well, it's like anything else. While it may bring more prosperity for all in the distant future, it can be painful in the short-term. People don't want short-term pain. It's one of the main reasons we can't really focus on fixing fiscal problems or government waste. It would mean short-term pain for MANY, and it would end up being political suicide for those who try to focus on it even if there would be long-term gains.

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I definitely don't count him out, but he's not unstoppable. The Republican primaries are vastly different than the general election. Frankly T, I think he'll get blown out, BUT again, I never count him out and nothing would shock me.

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Automation and to a larger extent the explosion of the financial industry.

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My belief is MANY people support him because of his delivery. It reminds them of a time from their past and it's something they wish they could do. Others truly believe that he can bring back the manufacturing jobs they lost. Then you have those that hear the dog whistling and love it. They believe that white men are under attack and they're happy that someone is standing up for them.

When I read posts on Facebook and other online comments it appears that the overwhelming majority of his supporters are racists. However when I went to his rally it appeared to me that the overwhelming majority of his supporters were people that wanted those jobs to come back. They aren't racist but don't care what Trump says or does because they believe he can deliver the jobs.

I believe that Hillary would be better off speaking to them about how her policies will put them back to work instead of focusing on suburban moms. Besides more people will show up to vote for a candidate than against one.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Statistically you can say that each has a 50% chance but the coverage would lead me to think that Trump has no chance. I don't think he will win but I think he can win. Anything is possible.

This election is now beginning to take shape and that is going to make it tougher for Trump. He is running a terrible campaign now and he really ran a terrible campaign during the primaries also. His bombast drowned out all of the other candidates and he was able to win. That is not going to work this time. There aren't 17 other candidates to choose from and it is him or Hillary. Anti Clinton vote won't be enough to spur him to victory.

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The loss of manufacturing jobs in the midwest had nothing to do with either one of those things.

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Well what was the cause then?

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Obama?

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