Hamas's spokesman claims them to be members (I'll bet he didn't intend to let that one sip) so I think we can declare that a fact.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Muslim is not a nationality

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I would say that some Muslims cannot walk around in their garb safely. It would be fair to make such a statement.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

No i'm not. YOu have never condemned Israel for anything and you yell Anti Semitic anytime there is criticism of the state of Israel. YOu also stated that criticism Israel and Jewish people is "inseparable". That is foolish as Israel is a state actor and all state actors are open for criticism.

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Condemning Israel doesn't make you antisemitic, but being against its creation and denying the Jewish people self determination in their own homeland is. You certainly fall into that category

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

That doesn't have anything to do with what I just said, and I never said, nor will I ever say, Israel shouldn't exist.

Do you understand what I'm saying tho previously? You could be getting pushback here because MANY in this country are oppressed for whatever reasons. Jews for the most part are doing quite well.

No one wants to round up all the Jews and send them to Israel for life, but your lack of empathy sitting from the top of the economic United States mountain (Next to the Indian doctors) skews the message you are speaking.

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He probably did. I'm sure you are familiar with how terrorist organizations operate. That sort of not so Freudian slip aids in recruiting. If he can present the 53 as "martyrs" as opposed to violent protesters then he might gain 500-1000 more sympathizers to his cause.

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Where did I say it was?

Holy fuck you are demented. Nobody here has said that in the slightest.

You completely ignore that in our 3,500 year history, our greatest calamity was within living memory. Tell me if that would not have an impact on how we view ourselves as a people and would impact how you defend yourself.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

That's not what I've said. I said Jews and Israel are inseparable. And they are. Ogie is trying to explain it you. I can understand if you don't get it.

But you're being disingenuous if you're suddenly suggesting you never have said that land belonging to others was taken to create Israel. That isn't what happened in spite of your insistence. When Israel was created from the British Mandate the Arabs living there were advised to vacate by their leaders, as it was going to take about two hours for the Jews to be destroyed and then they could waltz back in. So they left. It didn't quite work out the way they thought it would. There are many Arabs currently living in Israel. That's as opposed to no- or at least very few- Jews living in Jordan or Syria or Lebanon.

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Freedom is our Strength.

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A "homeland" where the overwhelming number of Jewish people have no connection and a homeland where a large native population already resided. Isn't it also ironic that the "father of Zionism" agreed with me and not you or Ogie? was he also an Anti Semite too? Isn't it also interesting that he took the views and wishes of the native Palestinians into consideration as well?

Since you want to discuss facts then let's discuss facts. Those are facts.

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Deflection. No conceding any point whatsoever. Just deflection.

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So because we managed to do well economically, we don't have a right to defend ourselves... What the fuck are you on?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Yeah, the realignment only seems to go one way. Again, when people call for Arabs to return to Israel, do they in turn want Mizrahi Jews to return to their respective Arab nations? Because I don't see it working out too well for them. Yemen's not in good shape these days.

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3000 years of beautiful tradition from Moses to Sandy Koufax...

How do we not have a connection to that homeland? Genetic tests of Jews certainly do show we are Middle Eastern.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium ... -1.5327994

As for the populations, Jews were the majority in the lands granted to them via partition. That's how partition was granted, each side would be given the land where they were the clear majority.

All of this is meaningless though as we are once again back to you denying the Jews a right to their own homeland. That sir is why you are a worthless antisemite.

Tell me, why is homeland in mock quotes in your post?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I'm saying you cheering it on is falling on predominantly deaf ears for whatever reason.

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Because "Israel" didn't exist until 1948?

Because the vast majority of Jewish people worldwide have no connection to that region of the world. I have already gone over that. An Ethiopian Jew with no ties to that part of the world has more rights than a person whose ancestors have resided there for centuries.

In addition Theodore Herzl agreed with me about the rights of Palestinians. Interesting that the father of Zionism believed with me regarding where Israel should have been created.

Again you neglect to mention that they only became a majority after the Balfour Declaration was issued. Again you can't have your own facts. There is a causal relationship between the Declaration and the increase in the number of Jewish people to the region.

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A Jewish homeland there has existed for 3,500 years and at various times we held sovereign control over the land with our own locally based governments. Something that has never existed in the mythical country of "Palestine". They were nothing more that provinces of distant governments in vast empires.

Also, Jews have lived in the land continuously since the return from the Babylon exile so that is about 530 years before year 1. Our presence in Jerusalem, Tzfat, Be'ersheva, and Hebron has never waved in that 2,500+ year period.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I think the rhetoric from Ogie is sometimes over the top and extreme. Because of his lineage I generally overlook it. Same is true for Shakes and until I learned recently that CH wasn't Jewish it was true for him. What they and their families have experienced is something that I can't truly understand without the same experience. I also can't understand JORR's views being consistently to the right of Ogie's on Israel. I was hoping that the question Good Dolphin asked would shed some light on that but so far he's basically ignored it.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

CH isn't Jewish?

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Please cite a source that says we have no connection to that region. Genetics say otherwise.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I didn't say I respected his spelling and grammar.

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I thought that was common knowledge.

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I said "vast majority". Israel is the spiritual homeland of Jewish people. It is not the ethnic homeland of the vast majority of Jewish people. The problem for you and Jorr is that you continuously conflate the issue so that they are one and the same. They aren't.

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I'm pretty sure I answered. If you want a different answer maybe you should ask a different question. Also, I take issue with the characterization of support for a tiny minority group that faces as much or more discrimination than any other group in the world as being "to the right".

And I highly doubt if there were was a group/nation that had a charter that called for the elimination of all black people on earth as one of its core values that you would be so charitable.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Genetics say the vast majority of Jews (even Ashkenazi) are Middle Eastern in origin.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson