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I thought that was common knowledge.

I must have missed it.

So he's just a Jewish fanboi?

Weird, maybe when Leash called him a socially incompetent hermit he was spot on.

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Condemning Israel doesn't make you antisemitic, but being against its creation and denying the Jewish people self determination in their own homeland is. You certainly fall into that category



A "homeland" where the overwhelming number of Jewish people have no connection and a homeland where a large native population already resided. Isn't it also ironic that the "father of Zionism" agreed with me and not you or Ogie? was he also an Anti Semite too? Isn't it also interesting that he took the views and wishes of the native Palestinians into consideration as well?

Since you want to discuss facts then let's discuss facts. Those are facts.

How do we not have a connection to that homeland? Genetic tests of Jews certainly do show we are Middle Eastern.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium ... -1.5327994

As for the populations, Jews were the majority in the lands granted to them via partition. That's how partition was granted, each side would be given the land where they were the clear majority.

All of this is meaningless though as we are once again back to you denying the Jews a right to their own homeland. That sir is why you are a worthless antisemite.

Tell me, why is homeland in mock quotes in your post?



Because the vast majority of Jewish people worldwide have no connection to that region of the world. I have already gone over that. An Ethiopian Jew with no ties to that part of the world has more rights than a person whose ancestors have resided there for centuries.

In addition Theodore Herzl agreed with me about the rights of Palestinians. Interesting that the father of Zionism believed with me regarding where Israel should have been created.

Please cite a source that says we have no connection to that region. Genetics say otherwise.


I said "vast majority".

Genetics say the vast majority of Jews (even Ashkenazi) are Middle Eastern in origin.[/quote]


Ok. I will look it up but Middle Eastern also pertains to portions of Africa as well. Israel isn't located in Africa.

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I also was in the CH is Jew club.

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Jbi11s wrote:
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CH isn't Jewish?

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I thought that was common knowledge.

I must have missed it.

So he's just a Jewish fanboi?

Weird, maybe when Leash called him a socially incompetent hermit he was spot on.
What are you talking about?

Why so much hatred at those who tend to defend Israel? Are you Palestinian? If not, why do you care?

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I thought that was common knowledge.

I thought he said he's saving up to be though?


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Ok. I will look it up but Middle Eastern also pertains to portions of Africa as well. Israel isn't located in Africa.


This seems rather pointless unless you're ready to hand the keys to your home over to a Pottawatomie.

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I'm getting old but I thought he said that he was Polish recently.

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CH isn't Jewish?

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I thought that was common knowledge.

I must have missed it.

So he's just a Jewish fanboi?

Weird, maybe when Leash called him a socially incompetent hermit he was spot on.
What are you talking about?

Why so much hatred at those who tend to defend Israel? Are you Palestinian? If not, why do you care?

I am actually.

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Ok. I will look it up but Middle Eastern also pertains to portions of Africa as well. Israel isn't located in Africa.


This seems rather pointless unless you're ready to hand the keys to your home over to a Pottawatomie.


I'm sure he would have some reservations about that.


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I am actually.
Then I would suggest you go and charge the green line in support.

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I'm getting old but I thought he said that he was Polish recently.


Some Polish are Jews Nas. :lol: jew really isn't a nationality even though CH taught me why some treat it as such.

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Genetics say the vast majority of Jews (even Ashkenazi) are Middle Eastern in origin.



Ok. I will look it up but Middle Eastern also pertains to portions of Africa as well. Israel isn't located in Africa.

There are also strong genetic links between Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Mizrahi Jews. Pretty much modern day genetics confirms we all come from the same tribe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html

"The shared genetic elements suggest that members of any Jewish community are related to one another as closely as are fourth or fifth cousins in a large population, which is about 10 times higher than the relationship between two people chosen at random off the streets of New York City, Dr. Atzmon said.

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews have roughly 30 percent European ancestry, with most of the rest from the Middle East, the two surveys find. The two communities seem very similar to each other genetically, which is unexpected because they have been separated for so long."

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Ok. I will look it up but Middle Eastern also pertains to portions of Africa as well. Israel isn't located in Africa.


This seems rather pointless unless you're ready to hand the keys to your home over to a Pottawatomie.


I actually believe that Native Americans have a legit case too. I don't think they should war over it because it would make them extinct but I do believe that they have a moral case.

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I have Jewish relatives on my dad's side but am not a practicing Jew. I think I've been clear about this.

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I have Jewish relatives on my dad's side but am not a practicing Jew. I think I've been clear about this.


Okay that makes sense then. According to my Jewish friend it is said if your Mom is a Jew you are a Jew. No getting out of it.

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I have Jewish relatives on my dad's side but am not a practicing Jew. I think I've been clear about this.


Okay that makes sense then. According to my Jewish friend it is said if your Mom is a Jew you are a Jew. No getting out of it.

Yeah. Of course, Catholicism isn't matrilineal, so I'm not really bound to that. No one will have me. Can you blame them?

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Then I would suggest you go and charge the green line in support.


Is that a threat?

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I have Jewish relatives on my dad's side but am not a practicing Jew. I think I've been clear about this.


Okay that makes sense then. According to my Jewish friend it is said if your Mom is a Jew you are a Jew. No getting out of it.


Nope. To become a member of a crew you've got to be one hundred per cent so they can trace all your relatives back to the old country.


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"You should only defend Israel if you are a Jew" is certainly an interesting way to look at it.

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Ok. I will look it up but Middle Eastern also pertains to portions of Africa as well. Israel isn't located in Africa.


This seems rather pointless unless you're ready to hand the keys to your home over to a Pottawatomie.


I actually believe that Native Americans have a legit case too. I don't think they should war over it because it make them extinct but I do believe that they have a moral case.



Right, but if Iron Eyes Cody showed up on your doorstep with a Molotov cocktail, I'm guessing you'd blow a hole right through him.

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I think the rhetoric from Ogie is sometimes over the top and extreme. Because of his lineage I generally overlook it. Same is true for Shakes and until I learned recently that CH wasn't Jewish it was true for him. What they and their families have experienced is something that I can't truly understand without the same experience. I also can't understand JORR's views being consistently to the right of Ogie's on Israel. I was hoping that the question Good Dolphin asked would shed some light on that but so far he's basically ignored it.



I'm pretty sure I answered. If you want a different answer maybe you should ask a different question. Also, I take issue with the characterization of support for a tiny minority group that faces as much or more discrimination than any other group in the world as being "to the right".

And I highly doubt if there were was a group/nation that had a charter that called for the elimination of all black people on earth as one of its core values that you would be so charitable.


I stand by my statement. You ignored his question twice. He just didn't feel like making a 3rd attempt. Let's not pretend that you give a crap about the plight of minority groups in general. You were just justifying that it's okay to mock Asians in this country because they are doing well and because of that they aren't really a minority group.

The history of America's actions towards people who look like me hasn't exactly been great and law enforcement hasn't historically been a friend. I still love America and generally appreciate the good work of most of the people in the law enforcement community.

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I didn't think this thread could take any dumber of a turn.

That's what I get for thinking, apparently.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Ok. I will look it up but Middle Eastern also pertains to portions of Africa as well. Israel isn't located in Africa.


This seems rather pointless unless you're ready to hand the keys to your home over to a Pottawatomie.


I actually believe that Native Americans have a legit case too. I don't think they should war over it because it make them extinct but I do believe that they have a moral case.



Right, but if Iron Eyes Cody showed up on your doorstep with a Molotov cocktail, I'm guessing you'd blow a hole right through him.



Yeah and the same thing should be done to Palestinians that engage in such activities. Until otherwise proven this wasn't the case.

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"You should only defend Israel if you are a Jew" is certainly an interesting way to look at it.


It certainly would be if someone said that.

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I think the rhetoric from Ogie is sometimes over the top and extreme. Because of his lineage I generally overlook it. Same is true for Shakes and until I learned recently that CH wasn't Jewish it was true for him. What they and their families have experienced is something that I can't truly understand without the same experience. I also can't understand JORR's views being consistently to the right of Ogie's on Israel. I was hoping that the question Good Dolphin asked would shed some light on that but so far he's basically ignored it.



I'm pretty sure I answered. If you want a different answer maybe you should ask a different question. Also, I take issue with the characterization of support for a tiny minority group that faces as much or more discrimination than any other group in the world as being "to the right".

And I highly doubt if there were was a group/nation that had a charter that called for the elimination of all black people on earth as one of its core values that you would be so charitable.


I stand by my statement. You ignored his question twice. He just didn't feel like making a 3rd attempt. Let's not pretend that you give a crap about the plight of minority groups in general. You were just justifying that it's okay to mock Asians in this country because they are doing well and because of that they aren't really a minority group.

The history of America's actions towards people who look like me hasn't exactly been great and law enforcement hasn't historically been a friend. I still love America and generally appreciate the good work of most of the people in the law enforcement community.


I don't really think it's "okay" to mock anyone. I don't think there's a hierarchy of pain based on what people look like. I get the feeling you do. That's fine. I understand where you're coming from. I just disagree.

I actually answered his question twice. I wasn't quite sure what he was getting at by the way he phrased it. if he meant to ask why my sympathies lie with Jews rather than Muslims, there's a simple answer: Jews are not dedicated to eradicating Muslims.

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"You should only defend Israel if you are a Jew" is certainly an interesting way to look at it.


It certainly would be if someone said that.
Why does it matter who is a Jew and who isn't then?

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I'm getting old but I thought he said that he was Polish recently.


Some Polish are Jews Nas. :lol: jew really isn't a nationality even though CH taught me why some treat it as such.


Some blacks are too. I know.

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Well this has been fun guys. I learned a lot about the suffering of Jews, and how it matters more around the world than I would have anywhere else.

CH not being a Jew has crushed me because his tap dancing on the graves was my whole argument. It makes no sense in my mind now as he is a non Jew.

Now I must retire back to my gifs and prepare myself for the oncoming review of Deadpool 2 this weekend.

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Equally "interesting" since you have continuously implied that not defending Israel makes one an Anti Semite.

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