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There are some fun rumors out there about the connections between FTX, Ukraine and the Democratic Party.

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Welcome to the stage, Crypto.com. Looks like the CIA is gunning for you too. They couldn’t effect regime change in Cuba for half a century plus, they are using their agents to bring down alternatives to the dollar.



Yeah, Deni$$, the CIA has never run a coup, never affected a currency, never done nuthin'. Why does it even exist?

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Crypto.com should be fine. If $3bil ain't enough for a single exchange, then crypto might as well close shop.


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Welcome to the stage, Crypto.com. Looks like the CIA is gunning for you too. They couldn’t effect regime change in Cuba for half a century plus, they are using their agents to bring down alternatives to the dollar.



Yeah, Deni$$, the CIA has never run a coup, never affected a currency, never done nuthin'. Why does it even exist?


To fulfill the fantasies of conspiracy theorists.

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Welcome to the stage, Crypto.com. Looks like the CIA is gunning for you too. They couldn’t effect regime change in Cuba for half a century plus, they are using their agents to bring down alternatives to the dollar.


You don't believe money was laundered to ukraine[ our tax dollars] back to the democrats via FTX?

Yeah, Deni$$, the CIA has never run a coup, never affected a currency, never done nuthin'. Why does it even exist?


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Welcome to the stage, Crypto.com. Looks like the CIA is gunning for you too. They couldn’t effect regime change in Cuba for half a century plus, they are using their agents to bring down alternatives to the dollar.



Yeah, Deni$$, the CIA has never run a coup, never affected a currency, never done nuthin'. Why does it even exist?


To fulfill the fantasies of conspiracy theorists.


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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.

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yeah but did you see that ugly girl in charge of FTX

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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


Stop yourself. He supposedly gave $40M to Democratic organizations. That's less than 5% of what will be spent in Georgia.

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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


6TH biggest donor

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-o ... est-donors

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yeah but did you see that ugly girl in charge of FTX



I think both of them will be charged soon.

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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


Stop yourself. He supposedly gave $40M to Democratic organizations. That's less than 5% of what will be spent in Georgia.



Money should be returned to the customers this sack 9f shit stole from.

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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


6TH biggest donor

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-o ... est-donors

That list is completely profane. It should be a bigger national embarrassment. Even bigger than social media and cable news.

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312player wrote:
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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


Stop yourself. He supposedly gave $40M to Democratic organizations. That's less than 5% of what will be spent in Georgia.



Money should be returned to the customers this sack 9f shit stole from.


The CIA stole it. Good luck getting it back from them. Lol

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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


6TH biggest donor

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-o ... est-donors

That list is completely profane. It should be a bigger national embarrassment. Even bigger than social media and cable news.



AGREED

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denisdman wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


Stop yourself. He supposedly gave $40M to Democratic organizations. That's less than 5% of what will be spent in Georgia.



Money should be returned to the customers this sack 9f shit stole from.


The CIA stole it. Good luck getting it back from them. Lol



It's completely insane and unbelievable to think that a government might attempt to undermine Bitcoin. Couldn't happen.

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The government might want to do that. But what you are alleging here makes little logical sense, and we should keep Occam’s Razor in mind too.

First, if the CIA was willing and able to effect regime change in Ukraine, why not do it in Russia? Why not take out Putin? Because yall seem to think that Biden and his friends are living large off Ukraine, so it would make sense to prevent it from collapsing via Russia destroying the entire country.

Further, if FTX is being used to launder money to Dems, then why take it down? It was well known Fried was popular in DC. It seems strange he would be bankrupted by the pols who supposedly were friends with him and getting cash through his company. It is a lot easier to see that a 30 year was lending money back by crypto to an affiliated company on the hope that crypto currencies would only rise over time. This same scenario has played out with other crypto companies.

If DC wanted to destroy Bitcoin, it could simply ban it. It could direct the Fed and other banking regulators to not allow any U.S. company to process transactions in Bitcoin or accept it for goods and services.

I trust the government less than just about anybody given my political leanings. I want a lot less government so it has its hands on less things to mess up. But I also do not buy into wild conspiracy theories when there are much simpler explanations.

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The government might want to do that. But what you are alleging here makes little logical sense, and we should keep Occam’s Razor in mind too.

First, if the CIA was willing and able to effect regime change in Ukraine, why not do it in Russia? Why not take out Putin? Because yall seem to think that Biden and his friends are living large off Ukraine, so it would make sense to prevent it from collapsing via Russia destroying the entire country.

Further, if FTX is being used to launder money to Dems, then why take it down? It was well known Fried was popular in DC. It seems strange he would be bankrupted by the pols who supposedly were friends with him and getting cash through his company. It is a lot easier to see that a 30 year was lending money back by crypto to an affiliated company on the hope that crypto currencies would only rise over time. This same scenario has played out with other crypto companies.

If DC wanted to destroy Bitcoin, it could simply ban it. It could direct the Fed and other banking regulators to not allow any U.S. company to process transactions in Bitcoin or accept it for goods and services.

I trust the government less than just about anybody given my political leanings. I want a lot less government so it has its hands on less things to mess up. But I also do not buy into wild conspiracy theories when there are much simpler explanations.


I haven't mentioned anything about Ukraine. But I think it's totally plausible that the government could use a connected person like SBF to run a scam exchange that would fail and undermine Bitcoin. If he isn't imprisoned for a long, long time, it will just lend some credence to that thought.

And the belief that "If DC wanted to destroy Bitcoin, it could simply ban it" shows a complete and utter misunderstanding of the power of Bitcoin. Governments CANNOT simply ban Bitcoin. China has "banned" it. Yet plenty of Chinese citizens have Bitcoin wallets.

The only way to destroy Bitcoin is to destroy the faith of its users.

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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


Stop yourself. He supposedly gave $40M to Democratic organizations. That's less than 5% of what will be spent in Georgia.



Money should be returned to the customers this sack 9f shit stole from.


I don't disagree with you. Some risks come with investments. Even more come with crypto investments.

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Anyone who believes that, 312, is a delusional person.


Bankman is the second biggest donor to the dems, only behind Soros.


You were correct 312.

He IS the second biggest donor to the Dems.

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The government might want to do that. But what you are alleging here makes little logical sense, and we should keep Occam’s Razor in mind too.

First, if the CIA was willing and able to effect regime change in Ukraine, why not do it in Russia? Why not take out Putin? Because yall seem to think that Biden and his friends are living large off Ukraine, so it would make sense to prevent it from collapsing via Russia destroying the entire country.

Further, if FTX is being used to launder money to Dems, then why take it down? It was well known Fried was popular in DC. It seems strange he would be bankrupted by the pols who supposedly were friends with him and getting cash through his company. It is a lot easier to see that a 30 year was lending money back by crypto to an affiliated company on the hope that crypto currencies would only rise over time. This same scenario has played out with other crypto companies.

If DC wanted to destroy Bitcoin, it could simply ban it. It could direct the Fed and other banking regulators to not allow any U.S. company to process transactions in Bitcoin or accept it for goods and services.

I trust the government less than just about anybody given my political leanings. I want a lot less government so it has its hands on less things to mess up. But I also do not buy into wild conspiracy theories when there are much simpler explanations.

Well said.

It still amazes me how the rash of conspiracy theorists were so quickly reeled into this remarkably apparent fraud. Oddly it was when their people first had then lost complete control of the federal government that this all became an epidemic. For them up became down and the boogeyman was in every closet and they then questioned the very existence of the country.

It's frightening in it's stupidity.

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The U.S. government could make it so no legitimate domestic company could invest in, support, or aid bitcoin development and transactions. That would be easiest way to put it out of commission.

You are all over Ukraine conspiracy theories in the political threads.

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The U.S. government could make it so no legitimate domestic company could invest in, support, or aid bitcoin development and transactions. That would be easiest way to put it out of commission.

You are all over Ukraine conspiracy theories in the political threads.


What Ukraine "conspiracies" are you talking about? I just don't see a compelling U.S. interest in Ukraine. Though I didn't mention it, it seems Ukraine may have invested with FTX.

Bitcoin doesn't require government sanction. That's the entire point.

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The government might want to do that. But what you are alleging here makes little logical sense, and we should keep Occam’s Razor in mind too.

First, if the CIA was willing and able to effect regime change in Ukraine, why not do it in Russia? Why not take out Putin? Because yall seem to think that Biden and his friends are living large off Ukraine, so it would make sense to prevent it from collapsing via Russia destroying the entire country.

Further, if FTX is being used to launder money to Dems, then why take it down? It was well known Fried was popular in DC. It seems strange he would be bankrupted by the pols who supposedly were friends with him and getting cash through his company. It is a lot easier to see that a 30 year was lending money back by crypto to an affiliated company on the hope that crypto currencies would only rise over time. This same scenario has played out with other crypto companies.

If DC wanted to destroy Bitcoin, it could simply ban it. It could direct the Fed and other banking regulators to not allow any U.S. company to process transactions in Bitcoin or accept it for goods and services.

I trust the government less than just about anybody given my political leanings. I want a lot less government so it has its hands on less things to mess up. But I also do not buy into wild conspiracy theories when there are much simpler explanations.


The Ian Allison article is what caused the crash, the government just gets to reap the benefits of it as people have lost faith in BTC and D.C. doesn't have to look like the bad guy when it goes under - in fact they get to look like the hero saying this is why you need a centralized currency.


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The government might want to do that. But what you are alleging here makes little logical sense, and we should keep Occam’s Razor in mind too.

First, if the CIA was willing and able to effect regime change in Ukraine, why not do it in Russia? Why not take out Putin? Because yall seem to think that Biden and his friends are living large off Ukraine, so it would make sense to prevent it from collapsing via Russia destroying the entire country.

Further, if FTX is being used to launder money to Dems, then why take it down? It was well known Fried was popular in DC. It seems strange he would be bankrupted by the pols who supposedly were friends with him and getting cash through his company. It is a lot easier to see that a 30 year was lending money back by crypto to an affiliated company on the hope that crypto currencies would only rise over time. This same scenario has played out with other crypto companies.

If DC wanted to destroy Bitcoin, it could simply ban it. It could direct the Fed and other banking regulators to not allow any U.S. company to process transactions in Bitcoin or accept it for goods and services.

I trust the government less than just about anybody given my political leanings. I want a lot less government so it has its hands on less things to mess up. But I also do not buy into wild conspiracy theories when there are much simpler explanations.


I haven't mentioned anything about Ukraine. But I think it's totally plausible that the government could use a connected person like SBF to run a scam exchange that would fail and undermine Bitcoin. If he isn't imprisoned for a long, long time, it will just lend some credence to that thought.

And the belief that "If DC wanted to destroy Bitcoin, it could simply ban it" shows a complete and utter misunderstanding of the power of Bitcoin. Governments CANNOT simply ban Bitcoin. China has "banned" it. Yet plenty of Chinese citizens have Bitcoin wallets.

The only way to destroy Bitcoin is to destroy the faith of its users.


If the government wanted to demonize crypto wouldn’t they lock this guy up and throw away the key to scare off any enterprising young upstarts?

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CH down bad levels off the charts.

No way. It looks like one of those progeria kids that ages prematurely.
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