Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
You know the irony in all of this as I have previously stated (and you continue to ignore). The "Father of Zionism" agreed with me completely. From the location of an Israeli state to the displacement of the inhabitant population. His views weren't Anti Semitic and neither are mine.
Don't take everything so personally. I'm not judgmental like that. I certainly don't think you're evil or a bad guy or anything. I was just called "disgusting" by Nas and had him mischaracterize what I said about certain slurs being worse than others as me somehow "justifying" Asian-bashing and I'm not too upset about it.
My point is that anti-Semitism comes pretty naturally to those of us who aren't Jewish. It may be different for someone in a rural area like leash who likely may not have met a Jew until he attended university. But you're not going to sit here and tell me you didn't grow up with certain notions about Jews. You may not embrace them, but they're there. This type of subtle bigotry isn't exclusively against black people. There's a post in this thread that comes down to, "Yeah, but Jews are rich." If something similar were said about blacks you'd immediately recognize it as a dog whistle.
The point that you neglect to mention is that i wasn't the one that stated it but you broad brush everything as if i and others that criticize Israel are. You actually have implied that i was anti Semitic on more than one occasion and it was not exclusive merely to Israel. I seem to recall you saying that i was opposed to Sanders because he was Jewish. If it wasn't you it was CH and Ch also stated that blacks in the South didn't vote for him because he was Jewish.
In addition are the presumptions that you often make (as you are doing now) with your statement regarding growing up with "notions about Jews".
I'm in agreement with Leash on this. Fact is i really didn't grow up with any notions about Jews. I attended an elementary school that was 100% black. I attended Kenwood High where there was some diversity but still mostly black and when I transferred to Phillips we were 100% black. I didn't really come into contact with many Jewish people growing up.
I'm from the ghetto and the avg black person in my neighborhood wouldn''t make a distinction between whites and Jews to be honest. If there was a stereotype that i will say that i became aware of its the notion of Jews and money and that occurred as an adult.
I condemned black leaders among others for Anti Semitic remarks and i have never thought it was ok. I (as an historian) do understand the discrimination that they have faced and i accept that there was a need to establish a homeland for them. I also think that the establishment of a homeland for Jews shouldn't necessitate the displacement of another group of people. I don't think that is fair. It isn't about wanting to see them annihilated either. As stated i feel the same way about actions taken against Natives in this and other countries as well.
What i find troubling is the total disregard for the feelings and views of the Palestinian people in the matter. They have a legitimate claim to the land but warring with Jews isn't the best way to achieve their objective. However you yourself stated that the only way to achieve such an objective is to war.
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