The point that you neglect to mention is that i wasn't the one that stated it but you broad brush everything as if i and others that criticize Israel are. You actually have implied that i was anti Semitic on more than one occasion and it was not exclusive merely to Israel. I seem to recall you saying that i was opposed to Sanders because he was Jewish. If it wasn't you it was CH and Ch also stated that blacks in the South didn't vote for him because he was Jewish.

In addition are the presumptions that you often make (as you are doing now) with your growing up with "notions about Jews".

I'm in agreement with Leash on this. Fact is i really didn't grow up with any notions about Jews. I attended and elementary school that was 100% black. I attended Kenwod High where there was some diversity but still mostly black and when transferred to Phillips we were 100% black. I didn't really come into contact with many Jewish people growing up.

I'm from the ghetto and the avg black person in my neighborhood wouldn''t make a distinction between whites and Jews to be honest. If there was a stereotype that i will say that i became aware of its the notion of Jews and money and that occurred as an adult.

I condemned black leaders among others for Anti Semitic remarks and i have never thought it was ok. I (as an historian) do understand the discrimination that they have faced and i accept that they was a need to establish a homeland for them. I also think that the establishment of a homeland for Jews shouldn't necessitate the displacement of another group of people. I don't think that is fair. It isn't about wanting to see them annihilated either. As stated i feel the same way about actions taken against Natives in this and other countries as well.

What i find troubling is the total disregard for the feelings and views of the Palestinian people in the matter. They have a legitimate claim to the land but warring with Jews isn't the best way to achieve their objective. However you yourself stated that the only way to achieve such an objective is to war.

Don't take everything so personally. I'm not judgmental like that. I certainly don't think you're evil or a bad guy or anything. I was just called "disgusting" by Nas and had him mischaracterize what I said about certain slurs being worse than others as me somehow "justifying" Asian-bashing and I'm not too upset about it.

My point is that anti-Semitism comes pretty naturally to those of us who aren't Jewish. It may be different for someone in a rural area like leash who likely may not have met a Jew until he attended university. But you're not going to sit here and tell me you didn't grow up with certain notions about Jews. You may not embrace them, but they're there. This type of subtle bigotry isn't exclusively against black people. There's a post in this thread that comes down to, "Yeah, but Jews are rich." If something similar were said about blacks you'd immediately recognize it as a dog whistle.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

. I maintain that most people couldn't even pick out a Jewish person in a crowd.

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

Just to double down on an earlier point criticizing the Israeli state isn't the same as providing stereotypes for Jewish people. As I keep saying and you keep ignoring the Israeli state isn't the same as the JEwish religion. You cannot redefine this so that it conforms with your worldview. That is dangerous. As long as you fail to acknowledge the distinction between the two then you will continue to receive pushback. No political actor is above being criticized. You however feel that Israel is though.

That's because the Jew hides itself until it's time to fuck over goyim

When a significant portion of your country's population is made up of children and grandchildren of Shoah survivors, you tend to do whatever is necessary for self defense and don't give a fuck about proportionality

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

Part Jewish, Catholic relatives, verbally dexterous, an ass to die for. If you ask me, CH sounds like one of the Glass kids (Zooey, mostly).

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I think he just supported my argument.

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

First, i don't believe I ever discussed Sanders with you. Second, we've already had the conversation where we discussed the phrase "Jew down". It's not really accurate for you to state you didn't know anything about Jews. You knew inherently that they try to beat you up on price. Look, it is what it is. I just think it would be good for all of us to try to understand how the other guy feels. You're very cognizant of that type of stuff when it's directed at your "tribe". I'll try to be more aware myself. I think Nas's take on what I said in the Darvish thread is completely off base, but I'd be mortified if Apologist thought I was making and/or justifying anti-Asian slurs. If Nas could think that it certainly isn't out of the realm that someone else might as well.

Finally, I'm sure I never said what you say I did in that last sentence.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

*Jason Goff voice*

There it is!

Never forget the six million lifetime pass for Israel

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

I have always had an incredibly tough time with which side is right in the Middle East debates. On one hand, I can't comprehend what happened to the Jews in WW2 or how I would react if I was a decedent. Nor can I comprehend the awfulness of being a resident of Gaza. Both sides are dealing with extreme siege like circumstances and have been historically shit (and presently for Gaza residents) on. It is the same reason I have tremendous empathy without fully being able to understand the plight of African Americans. It is impossible for me to put myself in their shoes.

It is why I don't go toe to toe with Ogie or LTG on any of these issues. I have no basis or moral standing in the discussion, and my opinion can only be described at best as partially uniformed.

I recall being at a beach one time with my mom when I was maybe eight years old. It was the first time I can recall seeing and recognizing foreigners as such in a public place. I don't know for sure, but they were probably Hispanic, definitely darker skinned and speaking a different language. I made a comment that caused my full blooded Italian mom to chastise me and say that people used to discriminate against her immigrant parents because they spoke funny. That stuck with me because at some level many of our ancestors have been wronged by the "majority". Funny thing is that I happen to fall into the majority that now does it to others, and it saddens me.

Good post but I am glad you are not a decedent my friend.

I wouldn't say it's okay to mock anyone. But there's a lot of needling that goes on here. I certainly won't say I've never made an ethnic joke. Because I have. I'm guessing you may have too or at least laughed at one. Maybe you haven't. But mostly I stay away from that kind of stuff because I don't find it funny. I don't find fart jokes funny either. Anyway, if you dig up that thread and read what i actually wrote, I don't think anyone could actually say I was making any kind of justification of ethnic/racial slurs.

I don't know why you keep saying that. I most certainly don't think Israel is beyond criticism. But I do think that much criticism of Israel is informed by anti-Semitism. There's a reason we don't have a twenty page thread about the Central African Republic.

*Jason Goff voice*

There it is!

Never forget the six million lifetime pass for Israel

Yeah, I mean this could have saved us a lot of time if the initial defense of Israel was "Because of the Holocaust I feel Israel can indescriminately do whatever they want without criticism." instead of all the beating around the bush and pretending the protesters really were going to destroy Israel.

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

Why play the 2 of spades on the first book?

I'll probably wind up like Seymour

I'm going to the Cub and Sox sections to engage in less biased debates.

But some of these things do seep in. If we posted an anonymous poll asking if Jews are cheap, just for example, what do you think the results come back as? That is anti-Semitism. It's reflexive rather than active. I certainly don't believe any CFMB members paint swastikas on synagogues.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

Did you just upspeak?

I invented the punctuation sign for up-speak

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby