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Buddy flew in today from Florida. The plane pulled up about 100 feet from the runway and he said it felt like the plane went straight up in the air. His daughter threw up and he said he was close. He was still nauseous in the airport after they got in.


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Buddy flew in today from Florida. The plane pulled up about 100 feet from the runway and he said it felt like the plane went straight up in the air. His daughter threw up and he said he was close. He was still nauseous in the airport after they got in.


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After a strong yet brief blast of Arctic air tonight and Wednesday, all other indicators are setting up positively for a healthy "heat wave" (by December standards) to take hold here by the weekend and well into next week. Current indications are setting the stage for highs flirting with 50-degrees on several days during this stretch, with highs typically ranging from 8-14 degrees above normal for this time of year. This appears to all but dash any hope of a snow cover here in Chicago for Christmas. Long range forecasts are showing that this will without a doubt be warmer than the 2011 Christmas Day high temp of 45, and could be the warmest Christmas Day temp since the mercury hit 52 in 1994. The record high temp on Christmas Day of 64, set in 1982, appears to be safe. Most models are suggesting that average to slightly above average temps will stick around through New Year's Day, with an arctic punch to follow.

There are also fringe indications of a developing a wet storm system which is to lift out of the Gulf and impact the Southeast late this weekend and/or early next week. Current indications are that this should stay south of the Chicago area. However should that storm end up tracking further north, it will almost assuredly be an all rain event with only a minute chance of a few snow flurries as temperatures fall overnight.



On one hand, this is pretty cool to have some warmer weather this time of year. On the other hand, Christmas should be cold and snowy. Going to be way too warm to get a fire going, which is generally a nice Christmas tradition for us.

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We'll still have the fire going. I'll take a mild Christmas...it'll be shitty soon enough.

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After a strong yet brief blast of Arctic air tonight and Wednesday, all other indicators are setting up positively for a healthy "heat wave" (by December standards) to take hold here by the weekend and well into next week. Current indications are setting the stage for highs flirting with 50-degrees on several days during this stretch, with highs typically ranging from 8-14 degrees above normal for this time of year. This appears to all but dash any hope of a snow cover here in Chicago for Christmas. Long range forecasts are showing that this will without a doubt be warmer than the 2011 Christmas Day high temp of 45, and could be the warmest Christmas Day temp since the mercury hit 52 in 1994. The record high temp on Christmas Day of 64, set in 1982, appears to be safe. Most models are suggesting that average to slightly above average temps will stick around through New Year's Day, with an arctic punch to follow.

There are also fringe indications of a developing a wet storm system which is to lift out of the Gulf and impact the Southeast late this weekend and/or early next week. Current indications are that this should stay south of the Chicago area. However should that storm end up tracking further north, it will almost assuredly be an all rain event with only a minute chance of a few snow flurries as temperatures fall overnight.



On one hand, this is pretty cool to have some warmer weather this time of year. On the other hand, Christmas should be cold and snowy. Going to be way too warm to get a fire going, which is generally a nice Christmas tradition for us.


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After a strong yet brief blast of Arctic air tonight and Wednesday, all other indicators are setting up positively for a healthy "heat wave" (by December standards) to take hold here by the weekend and well into next week. Current indications are setting the stage for highs flirting with 50-degrees on several days during this stretch, with highs typically ranging from 8-14 degrees above normal for this time of year. This appears to all but dash any hope of a snow cover here in Chicago for Christmas. Long range forecasts are showing that this will without a doubt be warmer than the 2011 Christmas Day high temp of 45, and could be the warmest Christmas Day temp since the mercury hit 52 in 1994. The record high temp on Christmas Day of 64, set in 1982, appears to be safe. Most models are suggesting that average to slightly above average temps will stick around through New Year's Day, with an arctic punch to follow.

There are also fringe indications of a developing a wet storm system which is to lift out of the Gulf and impact the Southeast late this weekend and/or early next week. Current indications are that this should stay south of the Chicago area. However should that storm end up tracking further north, it will almost assuredly be an all rain event with only a minute chance of a few snow flurries as temperatures fall overnight.



On one hand, this is pretty cool to have some warmer weather this time of year. On the other hand, Christmas should be cold and snowy. Going to be way too warm to get a fire going, which is generally a nice Christmas tradition for us.


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There is growing confidence in a pretty big storm developing, and will effect us Friday PM thru Saturday PM. Depending on the exact track it takes and temperatures will determine if we get rain, freezing rain, a mix, or snow. The further north the storm tracks, the more likely it is that the snow blowers and shovels will see their first use of the season Saturday night or Sunday morning. There will likely be better consensus on the forecast of the storm by Thursday night or Friday morning.

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There is growing confidence in a pretty big storm developing, and will effect us Friday PM thru Saturday PM. Depending on the exact track it takes and temperatures will determine if we get rain, freezing rain, a mix, or snow. The further north the storm tracks, the more likely it is that the snow blowers and shovels will see their first use of the season Saturday night or Sunday morning. There will likely be better consensus on the forecast of the storm by Thursday night or Friday morning.


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Well, I'm not making it up

https://www.yahoo.com/news/winter-storm ... 07591.html

Looks to be a matter of what we see in terms of rain or snow, not if we see anything. And for the record, bonerfuck Skilling called this last week so props to him.

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There is a chance we might get a few flurries today as some small pieces of energy rotate through our area mixing things up a bit. No significant accumulation is forecast.

Now on to the HEADS UP. A couple of things are coming together to give us the potential for a relatively strong winter storm Thursday through Saturday night. First player is a strong circulation near the Aleutian Islands near Alaska. I think the area I have circled below is the one the National Weather Service is talking about. My point in the map is that the circulation is still a LONG way from here and it hasn’t even reached the continental US (CONUS) so weather stations can measure it. There seems to be a pretty good model consensus that it’s coming this way. The second player is a system that will be pumping warm Gulf moisture up into the Great Lakes region. What basically happens is the Gulf moisture will get here around Thursday afternoon. Thursday we will be looking at strong winds (35+ mph gusts) and probably light rainfall. Rain continues overnight Thursday and lightens up a bit during the day Friday. By Friday afternoon/evening, the Aleutian circulation with arctic air will be nosing into our area and running into the moist Gulf air. Friday night we have a chance of rain, freezing rain and snow…depending on EXACTLY how temperature profiles work out. We’re talking a change of just a few degrees in the atmosphere could give you any one of these or a mix. The current forecast is for rain turning to freezing rain with some sleet around 1am – 2am Friday night and turning to snow afterwards. Under this scenario, the freezing rain would occur in the middle of the night so there should be minimal transportation impacts but remember that Saturday morning you might step outside onto some snow sitting over ice…or you might be driving on snow covered ice.

Snowfall amounts are hard to determine at this point. Keep in mind that you get no snow with just rain/freezing rain, maybe 5” snow to 1” rain/water equivalent for wet snow around 32°; and 10” snow for every inch of water equivalent around 30°. The amount of snow also depends on the moisture and temperature in the “Dendritic Growth Zone (DGZ)” because this is the part of the atmosphere that give snowflakes their shape. If the temperature is a bit warm the snowflakes melt into little balls that pack tightly together on the ground and we don’t get much depth. If the temperature is a bit colder the snowflakes get their classic dendritic form which doesn’t pack very well on the ground and we get a greater snow depth…so, the same amount of moisture could give us significantly different snow depths depending on the temperatures.

The snow will probably continue to fall to some extent all day Saturday and into Saturday night. All the precipitation should be gone by Sunday…based on the current forecast. In summary, watch the weather forecast for this weekend!

By the way, the NWS also indicated that we might see “moderate” rainfall rates, especially Friday night. Looking at the current forecast I’m thinking less than 0.5” rain and probably a couple inches of snow. However, if the arctic air moves a bit faster and we turn the rain/freezing rain into snow quicker and dendritic snow develops we could probably see several inches of snow. Time will tell.


Here is the Lake County SkyWarn forecast:
OUTLOOK FOR THE COUNTIES OF LAKE, SOUTHERN KENOSHA, EXTREME NORTHERN COOK AND EXTREME EAST MCHENRY
HAZARDS: NONE
SHORT TERM ( 24 HOUR OUTLOOK): Morning clouds should depart giving us a mostly sunny period this afternoon before some clouds begin to move in as a cold front approaches. Highs will likely fall short of 40. With the clearing skies and a good jet stream aloft, we could mix down some 25 mph gusts this afternoon. Skies clear again this evening with a rather cold Wednesday morning with some lows approaching 10.

LONG TERM THROUGH DAY 7: Cold on Wednesday with low and mid 20's but highs jump 25 degrees Thursday with S winds gusting to 35 and potentially more. The chance of rain increases as we get toward evening. Rain will continue Thursday night and diminish Friday morning. We will then have to deal with a potential significant storm Friday night and Saturday morning. Euro and GFS are slowly moving a storm track closer to a potential freezing rain and/or heavy snow event. It is still rather early for amounts as we will need to wait until Wednesday night and Thursday morning for the balloons to sample the storm coming ashore out west. Highs for Sunday and Monday will likely be dependent of Friday night and Saturday snow amounts.

DETAILS: TODAY THROUGH MONDAY
Today:(C) Morning clouds give way to mostly sunny this afternoon. High 38. W winds 13-18 with gusts to 25
Tonight:(B) Clearing, breezy and colder. Low 11. W-NW winds 13-18 with gusts to 25. Wind chill near zero
Wednesday:(B) Mostly sunny. High 24. NW winds diminish to 3-6 in the afternoon.
Wednesday Night:(C) Variable clouds. Low 23. Winds becoming SE and increasing to 14-19 with gust to 25
Thursday:(C) Increasing chance for rain in the afternoon. Windy and much warmer. High 47. S winds 18-25 gusts to 35.
Thursday Night:(C) Occasional rain. Low 35
Friday:(C) Rain ending in the morning with a chance of rain in the afternoon. High 38.
Friday Night:(C) Freezing rain and/or rain likely possibly changing to snow late. Low 29
Saturday:(C) Freezing rain and/or snow ending in the morning. High 32
Saturday Night:(C) Partly cloudy. Low 22
Sunday:(C) Partly cloudy. High 32
Sunday Night:(C) Partly cloudy. Low 24
Monday:(C) Partly cloudy. High 36


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Oh well, it's January...and at least it isn't a work day.

It is for me.

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I have been watching that storm for central Wisconsin snow as I want to get out on the snowmobiles. The storm is a cover story on the weather channel website.

https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-01-06-late-week-storm-snow-ice-midwest-great-lakes-new-england

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It is for me.


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Put a couple gallons of fresh gas in the can and fired up the snowblower last night. Bring it on. It’s gonna happen eventually. I’d rather have it now than in April.

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Current forecast has reduced freezing rain threat for us but there is still a LOT of uncertainty in the forecast so here are my current assumptions:

Thursday to Friday afternoon/evening – probably between 1.0” and 1.5” of rain (see below). Windy with gusts often near 35-40mph. Rain will start off slow Thursday and peak Friday night.
Friday evening through Saturday evening – might be some freezing rain. It doesn’t take much to make roads and sidewalks slippery. Figuring maybe 5” – 8” of snow. The amount of snow depends on how fast the temperature drops when moisture is present. During the switch from rain to snow the early snow to liquid ratios (snow-water equivalent or SWE) is around 5:1 making it a heavy wet snow. As the temperatures drop below 30° the ratio will increase to around 10:1…still not very fluffy but pretty typical. Winds will stay in the 20-35 mph range for much of the snowfall probably blowing the snow around a bit. I’m thinking travel isn’t a good idea. Temperatures will drop into the low 20s Saturday night and likely freeze all that wet snow that fell earlier so shoveling early Saturday evening might be a good idea…unless you’re making a slip-n-slide.

Recommendation – Get shopping, snow thrower, etc. wrapped up by early Friday evening then sit back and watch the show. Of course, the forecast will likely change before the storms hit but it looks pretty likely we will see significant rain and snow one way or the other.

Here is the Lake County SkyWarn forecast:
OUTLOOK FOR THE COUNTIES OF LAKE, SOUTHERN KENOSHA, EXTREME NORTHERN COOK AND EXTREME EAST MCHENRY

HAZARDS: NONE
NOTICE: 8-14 Day Outlook will be delayed because of data errors.
SHORT TERM ( 24 HOUR OUTLOOK): A sunny start to the day will see high clouds coming in this afternoon. Highs will be more like January with low and mid 20's. Partly cloudy tonight with increasing SE winds. Lows in the low 20's.
LONG TERM THROUGH DAY 7: A windy and much warmer Thursday with upper 40's and gusty S winds to 35 mph. Rain chances will increase in the afternoon. Occasional rain expected Thursday night through Friday night. Then things become tricky as a colder air filters in. Don't see a big freezing rain event but some is certainly possible. Any mixed precip will likely chance over to snow Saturday afternoon. The Euro operational and ensembles show the heaviest snow from NW IL to SE WI. GFS operational shows snow further north and another system passing S. Canadian has the heaviest snow well NW of the area while the German ICON paints a bullseye on us. So it's still too early for any big guesses. We should no more tomorrow afternoon as the balloons finally get their shot at the storm moving in to west coast. High temps later in the 7 day will be dependent on how much snow we get.

DETAILS: TODAY THROUGH TUESDAY
Today:(C) Mostly sunny this morning with some high clouds this afternoon. High 24. NW winds becoming NE and falling to 3-5 mph
Tonight:(B) Partly cloudy and breezy. Low 22. SE winds 11-15 with gusts to 25
Thursday:(C) Increasing chance for rain in the afternoon. Windy and much warmer. High 47. S winds 16-22 with gusts to 35.
Thursday Night:(C) Occasional rain. Low 39. S-SW winds falling to 8-12
Friday:(C) Occasional rain. Steady temps. Winds becoming N 7-10
Friday Night:(C) Occasional rain. Low 33
Saturday:(C) Rain becoming mixed with sleet and snow and then changing to sn0w in the afternoon. Accumulation possible. High 33
Saturday Night:(C) Snow ending in the evening. Low 22.
Sunday:(C) Partly cloudy. High 32
Sunday Night:(C) Partly cloudy. Low 25
Monday:(C) Partly cloudy. High 36
Monday Night:(C) Slight chance of snow. Low 28
Tuesday:(C) Slight chance of rain and/or snow. High 38


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Wow Saturday appears to be a mess. I think I would rather 8-10" of straight snow than rain, ice, then snow. That is gonna be a pain in the ass to clear.

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The coming weekend's wintry weather system is garnering a good deal of interest and attention. It's being monitored closely by the Chicago weather forecast community, amateurs and professionals alike.

With this weekend's system still days away, MANY questions remain on how this storm will move and where it will produce its precip and the form its precipitation will take. The truth is, it's far too early for the forecasts to have any sort of accuracy. We can, however, identify at this point the area in which chances for wintry weather are elevated. Chicago is indeed directly in the path, and at the moment, most models seem to favor more snow hitting the northern and western part of the state. This certainly is subject to change. That said, a few degrees fluctuation in temperature, or a slight change in wind speed/direction might be the different between 4" of snow, 8" of snow, 1" of rain, 0.25" of ice, or some combination thereof. Over the next 24-48 hours, we should continue to get more information from atmospheric readings and computer models, but even then, any accumulation predictions will be an estimate at best.

At this early hour, it does seem likely that the rain/snow demarcation line will be extreme. For example, one model run showed the far north western suburbs of the Hampshire and Huntley areas getting 8"-10" of snow, yet had southeastern suburbs like South Holland and Crete receiving 1.22" of rain. If the storm tracks further south, colder air will fill in on the backside of the storm making most or all of the precip the Chicago area sees snow. On the flip side should the storm track further north, the rain/snow line could be moved further west towards Rockford, with the Chicago metro area seeing more rain and/or freezing rain than anything else.

This is a lot of words and a bit of industry jargon to say, quite simply, that 'We know we're getting something this weekend. But we don't know exactly what just yet. We also can't say exactly where this will occur.'

If you are curious as to the "when", the bottom line is that the weather from late Friday afternoon and into Friday evening, thru most of the day and night Saturday, and even into the early hours of Sunday morning appears to be accurately described as unsettled at best, and very, very wintry at worst. Travelers using the roads on Saturday should exercise extreme caution, and those who are flying had better pack some extra patience.

There are also model hints of a weak system blowing through here Sunday night into Monday morning. This does not appear to be anything more than a nuisance in terms of precipitation, but may well affect the Monday morning commute.

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Can't even be bothered to start a new thread.


#Truth

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Done and Done.


Lazy Millennials.

Can't even be bothered to start a new thread.
It probably would have posted twice.

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Done and Done.


Lazy Millennials.

Can't even be bothered to start a new thread.
It probably would have posted twice.

:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: STORMWATCH 2020!!
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:38 am 
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It's not looking good!

Executive Summary: This is a really complex storm system and I think forecasting can only give us generalized probabilities. So, in general, expect some light rain and wind today; more light rain and strong wind through the day on Friday; Friday night strong winds, heavy rain, freezing rain, sleet and snow; Saturday, Saturday night and possibly into Sunday morning, snow and strong winds.

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This “storm” is actually comprised of two phases and multiple moving parts. Phase I is beginning now. The temperature this morning was in the low 20s and at 9:45am has gone up to 37.5°. This is due to warm Gulf moisture surging north as a warm front. Radar currently indicates a line of light rain from here to the south/southwest. Temperatures will continue to climb into the mid-40s today as the warm front and moisture move further north. Winds will be picking up as well and will probably be gusting to nearly 40mph by later today. Bad day to fly drones or fly into/out of O’Hare. Phase I with warm temperatures and light rain will last until around midnight Friday.

Phase II is the huge and energetic Arctic air mass pushing into our area Friday night. The atmosphere will start out relatively warm and moisture is near record levels for January. The cold air starts nosing into our area and starts increasing rainfall rates. Cold air is more dense than warm moist air so it can crawl along the surface and the falling rain hits below freezing temperatures at the surface and freezes on contact. This is freezing rain and tends to be a nightmare. Even a couple hundredths of an inch can make surfaces very slippery so driving and walking becomes extremely hazardous. Our current forecast is for about 0.1” of freezing rain which will really impact all forms of travel. Closing down the bars Friday night probably isn’t a good idea…

The amount of freezing rain we actually get could be more or less depending on what the storm actually does. For the most part, the amount doesn’t matter that much because any amount will be impactful to travel. We’re “lucky” in that our forecast freezing rain is light…parts of Michigan are forecast to get over 0.5” which brings down tree branches and power lines causing power outages. Parts of Canada are forecast to get over an inch of freezing rain and that’s considered crippling.

As the cold air oozes into our area the freezing rain becomes sleet (sleet has a beat) and finally snow. The snow starts out at a ratio of about 6:1 which is heavy wet snow. By Saturday morning the snow should be a about a ratio of 10:1 which is pretty typical. So, we will have typical snow over heavy wet snow over ice. It now looks like the snow will fall all day Saturday, Saturday night and possibly into Sunday morning. The current forecast snowfall is about 8”. However, as we discussed yesterday, the amount of snow we see is a tradeoff between rain/freezing rain/ sleet amounts. Figure the amount of moisture is a constant…it’s just what happens when it hits the ground.

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 Post subject: Re: STORMWATCH 2020!!
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And that little fuck Skilling is busting the biggest nut ever over this.

Motherfuck.

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 Post subject: Re: STORMWATCH 2020!!
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That sounds like its going to be ultra fun to shovel! :roll:

If nothing else, it has been a pretty easy going winter thus far in terms of decent temps and lack of snow.

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