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What would be considered a 2016 Cubs choke?
Missing the playoffs completely 30%  30%  [ 17 ]
Losing the Wild Card Game 20%  20%  [ 11 ]
Losing in the NLDS 21%  21%  [ 12 ]
Losing in the NLCS 14%  14%  [ 8 ]
Losing in the World Series 11%  11%  [ 6 ]
Only winning three consecutive World Series 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
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It's the dumbest excuse in sports that the MLB playoffs are a crap shoot and don't matter.

It is either 1) Not true or 2) Baseball is a dumb sport without skill and not worth paying attention to.


Take it up with the idiots at Harvard then, not us. Good luck with that btw.

http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2013/09/undeserving-champions-examining-variance-in-the-postseason/

... As we expected, the NBA seems to produce postseason champions most aligned with regular season performance. The long format of the seven-game series and reduced likelihood of upsets on account of the high number of possessions have resulted in the best regular season team winning eight of the nineteen possible championships….

What is remarkable is just how bad the MLB playoffs really are. Owing to the length of its 162 game season, one might think that regular season performance would actually be a fairly good indicator -– better, for example, than in the NFL where strength of schedule can have a huge impact – of the overall quality of a team. Given this fairly reasonable assumption, if you chose the eight best regular season teams, or even eight of the top ten because you require four from each league, and then just asked each team to draw straws to determine the World Series, the average winning team would be better determined than by the current system. Only three times has the best team from the regular season ended up winning the World Series. ...
Harvard would say 2 then.

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They were nice enough to spell that out clearly in the first sentence.

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doesn't that blow the "bites at the apple theory" out of the water?

If you have a 1:10 chance each time you enter the playoffs, your chances of winning the world series do not increase the more often you get to the playoffs. They remain 1:10.

Doesn't that also discredit tanking philosophy as "Theo can put an 88 win team together in his sleep" which is good enough to get you into the playoffs most years?

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doesn't that blow the "bites at the apple theory" out of the water?

If you have a 1:10 chance each time you enter the playoffs, your chances of winning the world series do not increase the more often you get to the playoffs. They remain 1:10.

Doesn't that also discredit tanking philosophy as "Theo can put an 88 win team together in his sleep" which is good enough to get you into the playoffs most years?


Umm... math is hard?

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doesn't that blow the "bites at the apple theory" out of the water?

If you have a 1:10 chance each time you enter the playoffs, your chances of winning the world series do not increase the more often you get to the playoffs. They remain 1:10.

Doesn't that also discredit tanking philosophy as "Theo can put an 88 win team together in his sleep" which is good enough to get you into the playoffs most years?


Umm... math is hard?


then do the math

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If the Cubs make it to the playoffs just once and there are ten teams (an oversimplificstion with the Wild Card play-in but the philosophy is the same), their odds of winning the WS are 10%. However, if the Cubs make the playoffs five years, with a 10% chance each year, the probability of winning the WS jumps to just over 40%.

http://stattrek.com/m/online-calculator/binomial.aspx

If you were betting red on the roulette wheel, would you rather have one spin to hit red or 100 spins?

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If you were betting red on the roulette wheel, would you rather have one spin to hit red or 100 spins?


It does not matter.

Each time you spin it is the same value.

Kirkwood, you are a numbers man. Explain this to me.

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leashyourkids wrote:
If the Cubs make it to the playoffs just once and there are ten teams (an oversimplificstion with the Wild Card play-in but the philosophy is the same), their odds of winning the WS are 10%. However, if the Cubs make the playoffs five years, with a 10% chance each year, the probability of winning the WS jumps to just over 40%.

http://stattrek.com/m/online-calculator/binomial.aspx

If you were betting red on the roulette wheel, would you rather have one spin to hit red or 100 spins?


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Mine just has an advertisement for Binny's and Hilton. What info is it pulling off your computer to think you'd be interested in money laundering?

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Mine just has an advertisement for Binny's and Hilton. What info is it pulling off your computer to think you'd be interested in money laundering?


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good dolphin wrote:
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If you were betting red on the roulette wheel, would you rather have one spin to hit red or 100 spins?


It does not matter.

Each time you spin it is the same value.

Kirkwood, you are a numbers man. Explain this to me.


It doesn't take a numbers man. Your assertion would only be correct if the Cubs were required to win the WS every time they made the playoffs. We are saying that getting into the playoffs multiple years increases your odds of winning it at least once.

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good dolphin wrote:
doesn't that blow the "bites at the apple theory" out of the water?

If you have a 1:10 chance each time you enter the playoffs, your chances of winning the world series do not increase the more often you get to the playoffs. They remain 1:10.

Doesn't that also discredit tanking philosophy as "Theo can put an 88 win team together in his sleep" which is good enough to get you into the playoffs most years?


No, there are 5 World Series to win in the next 5 years. 10 teams make the playoffs each year. Let's ignore the fact that four of them play in a one game playoff that lessens each of those team's chances.

5/50 > 1/50

So "more bites at the apple" logic still works, as the goal is winning one (or more) World Series.

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A lot of guys using this thread to take a shot at one of the 3 highest IQs.


:lol: Goddammit, I was waiting for the right time to link that thread.

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good dolphin wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
If you were betting red on the roulette wheel, would you rather have one spin to hit red or 100 spins?


It does not matter.

Each time you spin it is the same value.

Kirkwood, you are a numbers man. Explain this to me.

1 Spin - 44.74% chance of hitting red once
2 Spin - 75% chance of hitting red once
3 Spin - 87.5% chance of hitting red once
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100 Spin - ~100% chance of hitting red once


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A lot of guys using this thread to take a shot at one of the 3 highest IQs.
Thanks but I'm ok with the comments against me.

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Kirkwood wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
If you were betting red on the roulette wheel, would you rather have one spin to hit red or 100 spins?


It does not matter.

Each time you spin it is the same value.

Kirkwood, you are a numbers man. Explain this to me.

1 Spin - 44.74% chance of hitting red once
2 Spin - 75% chance of hitting red once
3 Spin - 87.5% chance of hitting red once
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100 Spin - ~100% chance of hitting red once


To clarify for the Dolph, that's just under 100%. No matter how many times you spun it, you'd never have 100% chance exactly.

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I don't think you could say the Cubs choke unless they either:

1. Blow this lead and don't make the playoffs,
2. Choke away a playoff series after being up 3-1 or 3-0.
3. Blow a big lead in game 7 of a playoff series.

I would say that not getting to the WS would be a disappointment for the season.


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Cubs fans hedging all over the place in this thread.

I guess the goal really is just to be competitive.

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WW - (1/10)*(1/10) = 1/100 = 1.0%
WL - (1/10)*(9/10) = 9/100 = 9.0%
LW - (9/10)*(1/10) = 9/100 = 9.0%
LL - (9/10)*(9/10) = 81/100 = 81.0%

One Win - 19%
No Wins - 81%

Two Appearances = +9% in chances

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good dolphin wrote:
Cubs fans hedging all over the place in this thread.

I guess the goal really is just to be competitive.


Bites at the apple is how their leader Bernsie put it. :lol:

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Reminds me of how I say that buying 10 lotto tickets doesn't really give you a statistical advantage over buying 1 ticket.

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Reminds me of how I say that buying 10 lotto tickets doesn't really give you a statistical advantage over buying 1 ticket.


It of course is more advantageous, but that advantage is 'statistically insignificant' (until you theoretically buy a cartoonish amount of tickets).

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good dolphin wrote:
Cubs fans hedging all over the place in this thread.

I guess the goal really is just to be competitive.


Bites at the apple is how their leader Bernsie put it. :lol:

Leader of who?


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You have to break down the 100% by team. The top team probably has like 20% chance


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Cubs fans hedging all over the place in this thread.

I guess the goal really is just to be competitive.


Bites at the apple is how their leader Bernsie put it. :lol:

Leader of who?



Everyone on the Cubbie Fan Party Bandwagon. Who or whom?

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pittmike wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
pittmike wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Cubs fans hedging all over the place in this thread.

I guess the goal really is just to be competitive.


Bites at the apple is how their leader Bernsie put it. :lol:

Leader of who?



Everyone on the Cubbie Fan Party Bandwagon. Who or whom?

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