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not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/

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shakes wrote:
not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/



Holy shit! It's like an entire army of Natalie Portmans.

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this whole thread is some sort of silly grandstand for Ruffcorn to say soldiers are immoral. what a profound and brave cause.

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this whole thread is some sort of silly grandstand for Ruffcorn to say soldiers are immoral. what a profound and brave cause.



He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
He's been a soldier for a thousand years.
He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.
And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.
And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.

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shakes wrote:
not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/


There's only three or four legitimately hot chicks in that entire spread.

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Ummmm...because what they did was illegal. If they killed or tortured people illegally, the media would rightfully report on that and people would rightfully be upset about it. If you want to argue the legal merits of disseminating private photos then do that. Stop arguing that because they are trained to kill that they get a pass for more minor activities. Your current point makes no sense unless you are willing to forgive every illegal act they might commit.


So you are fine with legal killing though? It's funny what is considered legal and illegal. It's legal for them to invade a country and kill people though.

I have no idea the legality of sharing photographs. It seems like quite the slippery slope though to start policing.

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Ruffcorn, police officers are trained to take down hardened criminals. Generally they have at least three weapons on them at all time. Is it OK to be morally outraged when a cop punches a suspect or uses his nightstick to beat a suspect after a foot chase? After all, the cop is trained to catch criminals that are sometimes very violent...


I think physical violence is way up there on the scale of behavior that needs to be policed. I do not think that trading nude photos is. Also, I do not think they are comparable.

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Tall Midget wrote:
shakes wrote:
not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/


There's only three or four legitimately hot chicks in that entire spread.



I'm gonna have to disagree with that. But I'll admit that as a 53 year old guy pretty much any fit 19 year old is hot.

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Hatchetman wrote:
this whole thread is some sort of silly grandstand for Ruffcorn to say soldiers are immoral. what a profound and brave cause.


It's a scale of morality. If you think it makes sense to be outraged that these Marines were trading nude photos versus their actual job, I will say that I disagree.

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Shooting somebody and sharing a nude photo of somebody without their consent are both felonies. I do not think they are equal, but that is not the point here.

Like Hank and TP have said, Ruffcorn, there is a very simple question that you are refusing to address. What crimes are OK for Marines and Ex-Marines to commit?


I do not think that sharing nude photos should be a crime. If it's blackmail that's a crime, but merely sharing nude photos is nearly impossible to police. We are getting into crazy amounts of policing because people's feelings are hurt. It's not ideal, but then again this is not an ideal world. When a girl sexts someone I don't think it's up to the police what happens after that unless the photo was being used to blackmail or threaten the person in a malicious way.

My larger point is that we as a society have decided that it's perfectly acceptable to train these guys to be loyal to each other to a fault, value the brotherhood above all else, yet we need to act shocked and appalled when they appear to lack morality in other areas? To me it's blowback of sorts, and it more calls into question whether it beneficial to have so many trained killers under government employment. What's an acceptable level of crime from these people? That's a question that seems to depend on the level of need that we have for them. Ideally, of course the answer is none, but I do not think it's fair to ask them to go into these places and kill for us then point the finger and condemn them when they do not act according the standards we have put in place in modern corporate America.


They weren't being loyal to their fellow soldiers by sharing these photos. I imagine some were embarrassed and things like this can destroy morale.

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I celebrate Marines doing their job. I would buy one a beer. I stopped a vet in the airport the other day to thank him for doing his job.

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Hatchetman wrote:
I celebrate Marines doing their job. I would buy one a beer. I stopped a vet in the airport the other day to thank him for doing his job.


They would rather have nude photos.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
shakes wrote:
not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/


There's only three or four legitimately hot chicks in that entire spread.



I'm gonna have to disagree with that. But I'll admit that as a 53 year old guy pretty much any fit 19 year old is hot.

Idk, a few of them look like they may have been in-between shoots.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
shakes wrote:
not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/


There's only three or four legitimately hot chicks in that entire spread.



I'm gonna have to disagree with that. But I'll admit that as a 53 year old guy pretty much any fit 19 year old is hot.


why don't you go ahead and have a seat over there.....


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
So you are fine with legal killing though?
This is a different discussion all together.

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It's legal for them to invade a country and kill people though.
There are warcrimes that MANY people have been convicted of.

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I have no idea the legality of sharing photographs.
C'mon. You can't be that dense. Its illegal to host them on a private drive on the internet and share them without the person in the picture giving their consent. As Hank said, this wasn't 4 guys at a bar looking at a couple of pictures on a cellphone.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
this whole thread is some sort of silly grandstand for Ruffcorn to say soldiers are immoral. what a profound and brave cause.


It's an scale of morality. If you think it makes sense to be outraged that these Marines were trading nude photos versus their actual job, I will say that I disagree.


You keep saying outraged as though I'm breaking monocles and clutching my pearls. I can think something is wrong without using such hyperbole as outraged.

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Tall Midget wrote:
shakes wrote:
not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/


There's only three or four legitimately hot chicks in that entire spread.



I'm gonna have to disagree with that. But I'll admit that as a 53 year old guy pretty much any fit 19 year old is hot.


why don't you go ahead and have a seat over there.....


My first thought was most looked like children.. MY second thought was crap, I'm getting old.


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Tall Midget wrote:
shakes wrote:
not reading this thread cause I don't give a shit, but just wondering if any of the chicks are hot?

If not, please refer to IMU's favorite army, the Israeli army for your daily supply of hot army chicks..

http://thechive.com/2012/04/17/beautiful-girls-of-the-israeli-army-31-photos/


There's only three or four legitimately hot chicks in that entire spread.


yea, that spread isn't the best. But, when I googled hot Israeli army girls there were hundreds of hot ones.


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Just got an email alert that if I post one more picture of a hot 18 year old girl I'm gonna have to head down to the post office to register.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
So you are fine with legal killing though?
This is a different discussion all together.

WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's legal for them to invade a country and kill people though.
There are warcrimes that MANY people have been convicted of.

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I have no idea the legality of sharing photographs.
C'mon. You can't be that dense. Its illegal to host them on a private drive on the internet and share them without the person in the picture giving their consent. As Hank said, this wasn't 4 guys at a bar looking at a couple of pictures on a cellphone.


I said from the beginning that it seems odd to debate the morality of nude photo trading considering what the function of the Marines is supposed to be. Kill people who have been declared enemies.

I do not know if there is a law against sharing nude photos online. If so how do 4Chan and Reddit exist?
What is the difference of showing them at a bar vs. showing them in a private group online, legally speaking?

Also, how do we know that consent wasn't given? How were the photos obtained in the first place? You don't think this is a difficult thing to police? It does not seem like this black and white issue other than it would be best if they were not trading nude photos. That's fine, but how are you going to make people stop doing it? Arrest them?

This strikes me as dangerous thinking if we are putting people in prison for sharing nude photos. I could see restitution, but unless there is another crime committed it would be very difficult to police. Especially considering the number of mass data breaches.

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If the US had mandatory military service for all 18 year olds, we too would have a website of hot military women. Instead, I have to delude myself into believing the women on the Navy Federal Credit Union commercials are representative of what is defending our flag rather than Chelsea Manning

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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:

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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


Thank you for your service.

Feel free to ignore silly laws at your discretion.

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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


If you don't think the values of our society are out of whack, look at the pussy march over Trump's "locker room talk" versus the yawn that will happen over the CIA's activities.

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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


If you don't think the values of our society are out of whack, look at the pussy march over Trump's "locker room talk" versus the yawn that will happen over the CIA's activities.


Worse yet, let's get worked up about Trump's "misogyny" and then put on our hijabs to meet with a guy who makes women live in bags. :lol:

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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


If you don't think the values of our society are out of whack, look at the pussy march over Trump's "locker room talk" versus the yawn that will happen over the CIA's activities.
I respect you trying to correct your terrible posts in this thread with "yeah, but society!".

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


If you don't think the values of our society are out of whack, look at the pussy march over Trump's "locker room talk" versus the yawn that will happen over the CIA's activities.

Our society's values might be out of whack, but this is a poor example of it, and you seem to be making a few mistakes here.

First, I think you're exaggerating the outrage here. I've barely seen this mentioned anywhere. Also, I think you're overestimating the impact "being trained to kill" has on a person. The majority of Marines have never seen combat, and the vast majority have never killed someone. This isn't RECON, Delta, or Ranger school we are talking about. Many of these guys were "trained to kill" the same way I was. They definitely know better than to share naked photos of fellow marines with eachother. This isn't some gray area of morality we are talking about, and it is bizarre that you would question the idea that consent is even needed to share photos like that, but either way there is no correlation between being trained to kill and not knowing better than to share naked photos of fellow marines without their consent, as many others have said in here. It's really just a bizarre argument from your perspective, even if one agreed that our society's values are out of whack.

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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


Thank you for your service.

Feel free to ignore silly laws at your discretion.

I already do, but thanks. :lol:

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Many of these guys were "trained to kill" the same way I was. They definitely know better than to share naked photos of fellow marines with each other.


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