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leashyourkids
 Post subject: Re: Ryancare Vote
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Jaw is correct.

You can't take a for-profit industry and mandate the offering of expensive coverages while simultaneously regulating how much money they can make. That's why I believe the whole thing should be government-run without a profit motive.

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Does anyone know what exactly is wrong with Obamacare? From what I read, the insurers bailed on it only because Little Marco Rubio managed to get rid of the "risk corrdors" which reimbursed them for losses in the first several years.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -insuranc/


Simply put, Obamacare covers too much for what it takes in. Eliminating lifetime caps and pre-existing condition restrictions, and mandating a whole bunch of other coverages made it impossible for insurance companies to make money unless young healthy people signed up in droves (and even if they had, the results may have been the same). Since the penalty for not signing up was basically non-existent, the risk pool was skewed toward the sick and old, and insurance companies started losing money and jacking up everyone's rates, which still didn't stem the losses. The government promised to reimburse those losses initially but that wasn't going to continue forever.


Isn't the point that nobody had any idea how to price their premiums in the new system. They were given some time to work that out with a safety net, but when the safety net (which could have been extended, at least temporarily) was removed they just bailed out. Seems like it never got far enough. In any case, I hope the TrumpCare passes just to see all of these lazy unemployed Trump losers lose whatever coverage they had and die slow, painful deaths. Despite CH's protestations I'm damn proud of it. These colors don't run.

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The hate is strong in this young one. It warms my cold, vengeful heart to have more compatriots.

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/bannon-health-care-bill.html

With hours to go before the House is set to (finally) vote on Paul Ryan’s health-care bill, the Trump administration is putting a full-court press on recalcitrant Republicans to rally votes. Last night, the White House sent senior officials including Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, Budget Director Mick Mulvaney, and Chief Strategist Steve Bannon to Capitol Hill to deliver an ultimatum to wavering House members: Pass the bill or Trump is moving on to other priorities. The message was intended to put blame for a failed vote on Congress.

The failure to repeal and replace Obamacare would be a stinging defeat for Trump. But it would be an even bigger defeat for Paul Ryan, who has all but staked his Speakership on passing this bill. And in the hall of mirrors that is Washington, the big winner to emerge out of the health-care debacle could be Steve Bannon. That’s because Bannon has been waging war against Ryan for years. For Bannon, Ryan is the embodiment of the “globalist-corporatist” Republican elite. A failed bill would be Bannon’s best chance yet to topple Ryan and advance his nationalist-populist economic agenda.

Publicly, Bannon has been working to help the bill pass. But privately he’s talked it down in recent days. According to a source close to the White House, Bannon said that he’s unhappy with the Ryan bill because it “doesn’t drive down costs” and was “written by the insurance industry.” While the bill strips away many of Obamacare’s provisions, it does not go as far as Bannon would wish to “deconstruct the administrative state” in the realm of health care. Furthermore, Bannon has been distancing himself from the bill to insulate himself from political fallout of it failing. He’s told people that Trump economic adviser Gary Cohn — a West Wing rival — has run point on it. (Bannon did not respond to a request for comment.)

Whether or not the bill passes, Ryan has been weakened, the pro-Breitbart Freedom Caucus has been emboldened. It’s hard to see how the Republican health-care civil war hasn’t been a boon for Bannon.

Lest one question the veracity of the article, an excerpt of about half of it (including the bolded part) also appears on Breitbart ... http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/24/report-steve-bannon-says-american-health-care-act-written-insurance-industry/

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leashyourkids wrote:
Jaw is correct.

You can't take a for-profit industry and mandate the offering of expensive coverages while simultaneously regulating how much money they can make. That's why I believe the whole thing should be government-run without a profit motive.



That's probably the most human solution, but what would happen to the insurance industry? I would hate for deni$dman to be unable to afford a luxury vacation home or another big screen.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Jaw is correct.

You can't take a for-profit industry and mandate the offering of expensive coverages while simultaneously regulating how much money they can make. That's why I believe the whole thing should be government-run without a profit motive.



That's probably the most human solution, but what would happen to the insurance industry? I would hate for deni$dman to be unable to afford a luxury vacation home or another big screen.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Jaw is correct.

You can't take a for-profit industry and mandate the offering of expensive coverages while simultaneously regulating how much money they can make. That's why I believe the whole thing should be government-run without a profit motive.



That's probably the most human solution, but what would happen to the insurance industry? I would hate for deni$dman to be unable to afford a luxury vacation home or another big screen.


And the lawyers and the doctors and hospital administration folks. I have a feeling that it will lean this way eventually. Only then will we learn how truly humanitarian, caring and charitable those concerns really are.

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WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE LAWYERS AND INSURANCE EXECUTIVES??

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WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE LAWYERS AND INSURANCE EXECUTIVES??

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I'm not really sure who to cheer for here...the republican opposition to RyanCare, funded by the Koch brothers, and what not, it's not because they think it's bad for the American people, they want a full repeal with poor people dying in the streets.
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I'm not really sure who to cheer for here...the republican opposition to RyanCare, funded by the Koch brothers, and what not, it's not because they think it's bad for the American people, they want a full repeal with poor people dying in the streets.


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Sounds like Donnie Blowhard called the game off for today.

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The Koch's managed to buy most of congress. Impressive.
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Paul Ryan pretty much giving the aww shucks "being the governing party is hard" schtick and saying they'll reflect on today and try to learn from it.
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Paul Ryan is now talking sweet, has his lipstick and kneepads on, and is trying his best at humility. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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"We were doing the Democrats a favor by passing this law"

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I know it may not seem like it because many don't believe republicans are good at all but maybe it's a good sign they are not all lock step with their leader. #findabrightside

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I know it may not seem like it because many don't believe republicans are good at all but maybe it's a good sign they are not all lock step with their leader. #findabrightside

No, it's a sign they are bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers.
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I know it may not seem like it because many don't believe republicans are good at all but maybe it's a good sign they are not all lock step with their leader. #findabrightside


Are you not entertained by today's events? Is losing and the responses from losers still entertaining in the labs of Pittsburgh? :wink:

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Do not flee!!!! At least let us negotiate!!!!

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wow, they couldn't even get blue dog traitor Joe Manchin
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wow, they couldn't even get blue dog traitor Joe Manchin

Considering it never made it to the Senate for a vote this isn't a shocking development.
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Ok now we can forget about this healthcare shit and get back to building bridges, banning muslims and legalizing suppressors.
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I know it may not seem like it because many don't believe republicans are good at all but maybe it's a good sign they are not all lock step with their leader. #findabrightside


Are you not entertained by today's events? Is losing and the responses from losers still entertaining in the labs of Pittsburgh? :wink:


I am entertained. My life changes not one iota just as it didn't with your guy the last 8 years. Does that bother you?

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wow, they couldn't even get blue dog traitor Joe Manchin

Considering it never made it to the Senate for a vote this isn't a shocking development.


Tell that to Reader. He's probably too busy investigating Reagan cutting taxes and firing air traffic controllers.

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"Coulter, Breitbart, Drudge torch health care bill backed by Trump"
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