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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:28 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.

I think a guy refusing to leave after being told so is being a dickhead. He was told to get off the plane. He overreacted. The cops overreacted. Now everyone is up in arms about it. If this was some dudebro getting removed from a baseball game, no one would care. They would say that the owner of the building has a right to remove him and he should leave when told to. This guy should have left but he's special so god forbid the rules of us mortals apply to him.

I wouldn't have gotten off the plane if I wanted to be somewhere. Why do I have to get off?

Are the "rules" part of a binding contract? Do we have any contract lawyers here or just a bunch of real estate hacks and divorce guys?

He got a random draw. Bad luck. Get off United's property.

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Caller Bob

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:29 pm

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I don't think anyone is arguing United's legal right to what they did, the debate is from a moral perspective, they are wrong. Starting with their refusal to pay market rate for bumping a passenger.

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JORR

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:30 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.

What rule did he break? If they were bumping him why let him on the plane in the first place?

The rule where they told him to get off the plane because he got bumped. He doesn't own that plane.

He does own the rights to that seat for that flight though, doesn't he?

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:30 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

I don't think anyone is arguing United's legal right to what they did

I think Boyd, Ruffcorn and JORR just did.

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Caller Bob

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:31 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.

He got a random draw. Bad luck. Get off United's property.

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JORR

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:31 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.

He got a random draw. Bad luck. Get off United's property.

Does that apply to your apartment if the landlord has another guy who wants to pay him more or needs it for his mother-in-law? Of course we know it doesn't. There is a contract in place. That's why I asked about the terms of the ticket purchase.

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JORR

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:32 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

I don't think anyone is arguing United's legal right to what they did

I think Boyd, Ruffcorn and JORR just did.

I don't know what the legality is. Though I'm sure it doesn't include being dragged off the plane.

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Caller Bob

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:33 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

I don't think anyone is arguing United's legal right to what they did

I think Boyd, Ruffcorn and JORR just did.

Got it. I'm not in that boat. Without that law, we couldn't keep suspicious looking A-Rabs off airplanes, which is paramount. I'm just on the moral angle.

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sjboyd0137

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:33 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

sjboyd0137 wrote:

WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

What rule did he break? If they were bumping him why let him on the plane in the first place?

This.

Is there somewhere in the United ticket agreement that statues, "You are subject to being randomly taken off a flight you are already on so we can put some late arriving employees on in your place"?

Can you be removed from a Sox game even though you bought a ticket? From a concert? Can you be removed from a taxi even though he already stopped and picked you up?

Due to violation of rules set forth on the back of your ticket you purchased, yes, you can be removed. But there is a stated code of conduct, not a statement of "we sold too many tickets, so you're going to be bumped for the 3rd assistant ticket sales supervisor because he just showed up and wants a seat".

2 different situations here, Hanklin.

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:34 pm

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I doubt buying a plane ticket is the same as a signed Lease document. It's akin to buying a ticket to a baseball game.

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Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:34 pm

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Bagels wrote:

on the other hand, you could attempt to make a profession out of it

https://consumerist.com/2017/04/10/one- ... socialflow

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47xiaa_arrested-development-s1-e-11-public-relations_tv?start=436

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Caller Bob

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:36 pm

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They should bump people based on weight. That's something we all can get behind.

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Curious Hair

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:41 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

He got a random draw. Bad luck. Get off United's property.

Lookin' out for the little man.

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:43 pm

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Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

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sjboyd0137

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:45 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

Neat

That goes back to the original question of "if they were going to start bumping people, why do they do it after boarding?"

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Hatchetman

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:46 pm

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United getting a lot of great PR lately. :lol:

Dopes

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Caller Bob

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:47 pm

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$800 credit and you have to use it in a year. Not surprised nobody took it.

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JORR

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:48 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

I wouldn't presume to say how that would go in court, but based on the language of that provision there's certainly a reasonable position to be taken by the attorney of a passenger who is denied boarding involuntarily.

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:48 pm

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sjboyd0137 wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

Neat

That goes back to the original question of "if they were going to start bumping people, why do they do it after boarding?"

No idea. They probably screwed the pooch. Doesn't absolve the screamer from not complying with their request.

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Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:50 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

This is why I will not wear a sport coat to fly. If I can be treated like this, there is no reason to wear anything other than a tshirt and jeans.

You'll notice they didn't drag off a guy who was well-dressed. They pulled off a doctor in pajamas.

Fixed this for you.

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:52 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

For sure. I'd be raising holy hell and demanding a hell of a lot more than $800 if they bumped me involuntarily...BUT I'd be doing it off the plane and letting the rest of the people get on with their lives. This guy is an asshole. Thinking he is an asshole doesn't mean I think United handled this in the best manner.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:52 pm

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Ah, the ol' "Banshee Scream and Asian Blanket" approach. I actually use the same approach whenever the waiter brings a check to our table. Haven't paid for a meal in seven years.

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Caller Bob

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:53 pm

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A flying credit only, with a term expiring in 1 year is probably the shittiest comp package i have seen for bumping a flight until the very next day. I have seen Southwest offer similar $$$ for a bump with just a 6-8 hour resulting delay.

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JORR

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:53 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

Well yeah. I knew he was an asshole when I saw the way he was dressed for the flight.

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Jaw Breaker

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:54 pm

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"b. The priority of all other confirmed passengers may be determined based on a passenger’s fare class"

So that means first-class probably isn't getting bumped. But within coach, can they choose the people who paid the least for their ticket?

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Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:54 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Well yeah. I knew he was an asshole when I saw the way he was dressed for the flight.

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:55 pm

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Jaw Breaker wrote:

That's the way I read it.

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:56 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

Well yeah. I knew he was an asshole when I saw the way he was dressed for the flight.

A guy in a suit doesn't need to get dragged down the aisle. He would just MF everyone in sight and tell them they would be hearing from his attorney.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:56 pm

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Rule 25.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... aspx#sec25

Well yeah. I knew he was an asshole when I saw the way he was dressed for the flight.

A guy in a suit doesn't need to get dragged down the aisle. He would just MF everyone in sight and tell them they would be hearing from his attorney.

This is preposterous!

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Hank Scorpio

Post subject: Re: United Airlines

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:58 pm

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Like the guy in the $5000 suit is gonna listen to a stewardess.... COME ON!

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