How many Hamas leaders has Israel killed or captured?

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Liberals are pro-Israel because they do things like develop apps, and empower women to also develop apps. Conservatives are pro-Israel because they need Jews there for the Rapture. Nazis are anti-Israel for obvious reasons. Leftists are anti-Israel because, you see, it's not that they're antisemites, no no no, rather, they're anti-Zionist as a function of being anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist, and given that Israel is a tool of the imperialist West to control resources in the Middle East for the benefit of the West, and because the neocolonial ethnostate oppresses indigenous people, the only reasonable position, if you're still with me here, is that while no one is necessarily saying that the neocolonialists should be purged from a land they have no natural right to inhabit, it's arguable that we should live in a country without borders, and in our pursuit of eliminating all world borders, we should begin by eliminating those of the (((failed apartheid ethnostate))) before dealing with others, and if many Jews should happen to die in a struggle with the oppressed and indigenous population, then we should see that as a natural conclusion of the perniciousness of neocolonial imperialism, but look, we're not antisemitic.

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None of the very senior leadership such as Haniyeh and Mashal, despite both having been in Israel's sights. Ditto for Soleimani of the Quds force and Nasrallah of Hezbollah

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I bet Ogie also falls for the 5 for $10 stickers at the grocery store, not realizing he can just buy 1 for $2.

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You know that's wrong. Sounds like you are annoyed they didn't kill or capture all of them knowing full well Israel has quenched their blood lust MANY times.

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Except it for the fact it's true. Israel had even once poisoned Mashaal, only for Bill Clinton to demand that they give the antidote. Soleimani was once in the Mossad's sites, but it was a joint CIA operation and CIA nixed them killing Soleimani. I could go on here with more examples, but clearly you're just ignorant on this as you haven't made a coherent point all day

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I simply think enough is enough with the over funding. No need to over analyze, and turn your response into some CFMB thesis statement with terminology 3 or 4 people on this board fully grasp.

We should temper down the foreign aid. The cumulative total for a friend in the Middle East is absurd.

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Sights.

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I'm just going off Wikipedia, not Israeli propaganda sites. Wiki is telling me Israel is really good at killing and capturing Hamas leadership.

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None of those killed are classified as "senior leadership." Those killed are generally operational and easily replaced unlike the political leadership. Seriously, you are fucking clueless if you think Time Magazine and WaPo are Israeli propaganda. If you can't be bothered to read, then that's your problem.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Ogie, are you trying to tell me Israel, who has killed and captured hamas members left and right for 3 decades, is hurt by the $3 billion annually and w/e the real $30 or $40 billion dollar amount in military aid more than they've been helped? I hope you realize how silly that sounds.

You sound like every propagandandist in this country. Maybe worse.

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I am literally telling you that as it has prevented Israel from taking out the political leadership of Hamas, which has prevented overall victory vs. Hamas. Not to mention what it has done for preventing Israel from being self sufficient in arms manufacturing. The IAI Lavi was once again an aircraft killed because General Dynamics didn't want competition for the F-16

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Hamas is a rather impotent terrorist organization that poses no real threat to the existence of Israel. If you think that Israeli leadership would turn down 4 billion annually simply for the purpose of taking out the leadership of Hamas you are insane.

You also overestimate the ability of the U.S. with respect to keeping Israel in line also. Israel will act independently when it feels it is threatened.

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What do you think would happen if the US cut off all funding to Israel? Within hours?

I never realized just how much of a propagandist you are.

I brushed aside your extremist views on the police, but man, you seem to just get out over your skis a lot.

Because Israel hasn't been able to kill leadership at will you consider hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars in military and foreign aid a detriment more than a help.

Silly.

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Does that mean we should let the Palestinians take out BiBi? I mean we have our people with him all the time and he's just as big a fucker as the Palestinians are

Not enough

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The U.S. Can't prevent Israel from whacking Iranian Scientists but they can prevent them from whacking the senior leadership of Hamas.

They also can't prevent Israel from spying on them but they can prevent Israel from whacking Senior leadership of Hamas

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It's just that so many on the Left are Jewish. Some have (often tacitly) made an exception for Israel and others have, over the past few decades, fallen in line with the larger anti-colonial/post-colonial framework. I always wonder how some of my former professors are dealing with the rising number of Palestinian and Arab students in their classrooms.

There's a lot of truth in what CH just said, though. There's this weird logic that runs through intellectual communities and it has an answer for everything....which is pretty dangerous.

Honestly the presumptions that he makes in that statement are what's dangerous.

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@Tommy

Those are wild generalizations. True in some sense, but I'd wager there are probably a far greater number of people who don't give Israel/Palestine that much thought at all.

If CH wants to start a shit thread with a shit post about lack of empathy for killing Arabs he shouldn't get his panties in a bunch when there is a push back against his Israel for life thoughts.

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Is this irony, or the other one? Either way, fucking wow.

al-Assad and Ben Netanyahu would be bestest buds if given a chance.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

This thread is anuddah shoah

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Take it easy, Billy; no need to overjew it.

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Sure, he's generalizing and speaking partially tongue-in-cheek. But having been on a lot of campuses (where left-leaning people congregate) over the years....I've heard many anti-Israel arguments. It's interesting since when I was an undergraduate, I never heard anti-Israel rhetoric at all. Granted, there were a lot of Jewish people at U of I then and not many Arab-Americans (or at least not many who had a voice that I heard). An interesting shift.

However, I don't think CH didn't say anything in that post that reflected any lack of empathy for Palestinians.

CH, you’re one of my favorites and an astute observer of humanity, but many if not most of your generalizations about people based on race, geography, heritage, etc are nothing more than well-described observations about some character you read about once in a book. Logically, there is no way the presumptions you make could possibly apply to large groups of people. You seem to take one or two applicable characteristics of someone and artistically apply them to an entire group of people.

Your descriptive abilities are great, though. You just tend to overutilize them.

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I read CH's post as making fun of the buzz term-laden and often meaningless deflections and rationalizations from leftists of what they know full well is a hypocritical stance on Israel, one they know they would call racist/Islamaphobic if it were made about the Palestinians? What's the beef with a dead on lampooning of leftist hypocrisy?

Is it really any surprise as to whether he'd see it that way? Didn't exactly have to draw straws on that one.

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