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The unemployment rate is estimated at between 13% and 15% right now. The highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression. It is projected to near 20% by the end of the month, especially if any extensions of stay at home orders are considered.

A death sentence of another kind.

The major difference is unemployment benefits right now are on average $1000 a week. That's not bad for sitting at home.

Can you give me a breakdown of that $1000 a week?

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The unemployment rate is estimated at between 13% and 15% right now. The highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression. It is projected to near 20% by the end of the month, especially if any extensions of stay at home orders are considered.

A death sentence of another kind.

The major difference is unemployment benefits right now are on average $1000 a week. That's not bad for sitting at home.

Can you give me a breakdown of that $1000 a week?

The exact numbers are by state and how much you made prior to being laid off. In Illinois, you get 47 percent of what you made. So if you made 1000 a week, you get 470 a week on unemployment. That's a 52k a year job. The federal government adds another 600 a week on that. So that person who makes 1000 a week ends up with 1070 a week on unemployment. You also get a child credit.

Many people are sitting at home making more money than they would if working.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The unemployment rate is estimated at between 13% and 15% right now. The highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression. It is projected to near 20% by the end of the month, especially if any extensions of stay at home orders are considered.

A death sentence of another kind.

The major difference is unemployment benefits right now are on average $1000 a week. That's not bad for sitting at home.

Can you give me a breakdown of that $1000 a week?

The exact numbers are by state and how much you made prior to being laid off. In Illinois, you get 47 percent of what you made. So if you made 1000 a week, you get 470 a week on unemployment. That's a 52k a year job. The federal government adds another 600 a week on that. So that person who makes 1000 a week ends up with 1070 a week on unemployment. You also get a child credit.

Many people are sitting at home making more money than they would if working.

Wow, I didn't realize it was weekly, holy shit nobody will want to go back to work. No wonder so many people want to sit their ass at home.

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Many people are sitting at home making more money than they would if working.



Is that supposed to be a good thing?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Many people are sitting at home making more money than they would if working.



Is that supposed to be a good thing?


i certainly feel like a dope going to work every day


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Many people are sitting at home making more money than they would if working.



Is that supposed to be a good thing?

No. It's just pointing out that bring on unemployment now doesn't mean you are hurting financially.

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I also thinks it's very likely that it was supposed to be $600 a month, and it was a mistake but then JORR's guy Bernie Sanders jumped in and would have torpedoed the bill if it wasn't $600 a week and they just accepted it. It's probably his biggest accomplishment ever.

When this passed, many restaurants in my area almost immediately closed shop that were doing takeout. I am almost positive that they did it and told the employees they would make a lot more money on unemployment and we'll see you in a few months.

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The exact numbers are by state and how much you made prior to being laid off. In Illinois, you get 47 percent of what you made. So if you made 1000 a week, you get 470 a week on unemployment.
I was on unemployment last spring/summer for about 3 months. You do not get that much. It was not that much when I was on it for about 6mos in early 2015 as well. It may have changed a bit now with the stimulus and whatever.

Unemployment is also taxed. You can opt to have 15% taken out of the check now, or pay when you file your taxes.

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The exact numbers are by state and how much you made prior to being laid off. In Illinois, you get 47 percent of what you made. So if you made 1000 a week, you get 470 a week on unemployment.
I was on unemployment last spring/summer for about 3 months. You do not get that much. It was not that much when I was on it for about 6mos in early 2015 as well. It may have changed a bit now with the stimulus and whatever.

Unemployment is also taxed. You can opt to have 15% taken out of the check now, or pay when you file your taxes.

https://www2.illinois.gov/ides/IDES%20Forms%20and%20Publications/CLI110L.pdf The rate is 47% in the third column. It is capped though at the state average wage of 1,029. I should have said that though.

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I received this from our financial adviser which may be of interest...

Labor market holds the keys – Recent weekly readings of initial jobless claims have surged to unprecedented levels, heralding what we believe will be a dramatic surge in the national unemployment rate in Q2, potentially as high as 20%-30%. This compares with peaks of 10% in 2009, 10.8% in 1982 and 9% in 1975. While the current surge in unemployment will be painful, we think Washington’s fiscal rescue package will be critical in preserving conditions for payrolls to return to healthier levels in much more rapid fashion.

Potential for a vigorous rebound – We think the path ahead for the financial markets will be dictated more by the duration of the economic shutdown than the magnitude of the GDP decline. In our view, a severe but somewhat temporary contraction is already priced in to financial markets. Progress in containing the spread of the virus will dictate the timeline, but we think the nature of this shutdown (self-imposed versus structural weakness in the economy), combined with significant fiscal and monetary policy stimulus, sets a compelling stage for a potentially faster-than-average rebound later this year.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
IMU wrote:
The unemployment rate is estimated at between 13% and 15% right now. The highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression. It is projected to near 20% by the end of the month, especially if any extensions of stay at home orders are considered.

A death sentence of another kind.

The major difference is unemployment benefits right now are on average $1000 a week. That's not bad for sitting at home.

And they run out.

And when they run out, where will all the businesses be that are ready to hire all these people back. It will take time, and a lot of it, for things to get back to anywhere close to where they previously were.

Not worth it. Let's save what we can. And as it has always been, you can't save everyone. Businesses...or people.

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I received this from our financial adviser which may be of interest...

Labor market holds the keys – Recent weekly readings of initial jobless claims have surged to unprecedented levels, heralding what we believe will be a dramatic surge in the national unemployment rate in Q2, potentially as high as 20%-30%. This compares with peaks of 10% in 2009, 10.8% in 1982 and 9% in 1975. While the current surge in unemployment will be painful, we think Washington’s fiscal rescue package will be critical in preserving conditions for payrolls to return to healthier levels in much more rapid fashion.

Potential for a vigorous rebound – We think the path ahead for the financial markets will be dictated more by the duration of the economic shutdown than the magnitude of the GDP decline. In our view, a severe but somewhat temporary contraction is already priced in to financial markets. Progress in containing the spread of the virus will dictate the timeline, but we think the nature of this shutdown (self-imposed versus structural weakness in the economy), combined with significant fiscal and monetary policy stimulus, sets a compelling stage for a potentially faster-than-average rebound later this year.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I also thinks it's very likely that it was supposed to be $600 a month, and it was a mistake but then JORR's guy Bernie Sanders jumped in and would have torpedoed the bill if it wasn't $600 a week and they just accepted it. It's probably his biggest accomplishment ever.

When this passed, many restaurants in my area almost immediately closed shop that were doing takeout. I am almost positive that they did it and told the employees they would make a lot more money on unemployment and we'll see you in a few months.


There is a cap on unemployment. I believe that everyone making like $40k a year gets the same amount as someone who makes $1M a year. The $600 a week was added to make more people whole.

Edit: The cap is $471 a week.

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I received this from our financial adviser which may be of interest...

Labor market holds the keys – Recent weekly readings of initial jobless claims have surged to unprecedented levels, heralding what we believe will be a dramatic surge in the national unemployment rate in Q2, potentially as high as 20%-30%. This compares with peaks of 10% in 2009, 10.8% in 1982 and 9% in 1975. While the current surge in unemployment will be painful, we think Washington’s fiscal rescue package will be critical in preserving conditions for payrolls to return to healthier levels in much more rapid fashion.

Potential for a vigorous rebound – We think the path ahead for the financial markets will be dictated more by the duration of the economic shutdown than the magnitude of the GDP decline. In our view, a severe but somewhat temporary contraction is already priced in to financial markets. Progress in containing the spread of the virus will dictate the timeline, but we think the nature of this shutdown (self-imposed versus structural weakness in the economy), combined with significant fiscal and monetary policy stimulus, sets a compelling stage for a potentially faster-than-average rebound later this year.


what we've been hearing too. my broker buddy who i don't use is like inject now.

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It was a mistake by many of the states giving out the $600/week bonus to the unemployed. This means that to a lion's share of the population they will make more money on unemployment compensation that those folks who are working in their jobs in the midst of a pandemic. My three kids are working through this stuff right now. Wonder how many workers who were laid off sometimes voluntarily will be glad to go back to work. I doubt 75% of them will go back when this shit ends.

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It's awful to give people money to help them weather a once in a century storm, but we should definitely give money to irresponsible business owners to bail them out every decade.

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It's awful to give people money to help them weather a once in a century storm, but we should definitely give money to irresponsible business owners to bail them out every decade.


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hnd wrote:
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I received this from our financial adviser which may be of interest...

Labor market holds the keys – Recent weekly readings of initial jobless claims have surged to unprecedented levels, heralding what we believe will be a dramatic surge in the national unemployment rate in Q2, potentially as high as 20%-30%. This compares with peaks of 10% in 2009, 10.8% in 1982 and 9% in 1975. While the current surge in unemployment will be painful, we think Washington’s fiscal rescue package will be critical in preserving conditions for payrolls to return to healthier levels in much more rapid fashion.

Potential for a vigorous rebound – We think the path ahead for the financial markets will be dictated more by the duration of the economic shutdown than the magnitude of the GDP decline. In our view, a severe but somewhat temporary contraction is already priced in to financial markets. Progress in containing the spread of the virus will dictate the timeline, but we think the nature of this shutdown (self-imposed versus structural weakness in the economy), combined with significant fiscal and monetary policy stimulus, sets a compelling stage for a potentially faster-than-average rebound later this year.


what we've been hearing too. my broker buddy who i don't use is like inject now.

Maybe put on his shoes and imagine what advice you would give in his shoes....Just a thought


he works for a firm that is paid off actual performance, not pre investment sales charges. so advice liek this could actually cost him .


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It's awful to give people money to help them weather a once in a century storm, but we should definitely give money to irresponsible business owners to bail them out every decade.


No person deserves to make more money to stay at home than they would working at their job. Unemployment compensation was designed to be a HELP measure to get people through downturns to the economy. Some people have thrived on what it became and this addition $600/week is totally asinine. It is going to be a real mess when the laid off folks are going to be told to go back to work again. Many will not be agreeable to that.

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My personal favorite story was the retired cop in Michigan wanting to go to his home in another part of the state to wait out the virus there and being order to stay where he was because of that dingbat Governor's order. They wouldn't let the guy drive to his own F*ing home for cripes sake. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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hnd wrote:
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I received this from our financial adviser which may be of interest...

Labor market holds the keys – Recent weekly readings of initial jobless claims have surged to unprecedented levels, heralding what we believe will be a dramatic surge in the national unemployment rate in Q2, potentially as high as 20%-30%. This compares with peaks of 10% in 2009, 10.8% in 1982 and 9% in 1975. While the current surge in unemployment will be painful, we think Washington’s fiscal rescue package will be critical in preserving conditions for payrolls to return to healthier levels in much more rapid fashion.

Potential for a vigorous rebound – We think the path ahead for the financial markets will be dictated more by the duration of the economic shutdown than the magnitude of the GDP decline. In our view, a severe but somewhat temporary contraction is already priced in to financial markets. Progress in containing the spread of the virus will dictate the timeline, but we think the nature of this shutdown (self-imposed versus structural weakness in the economy), combined with significant fiscal and monetary policy stimulus, sets a compelling stage for a potentially faster-than-average rebound later this year.


what we've been hearing too. my broker buddy who i don't use is like inject now.

Maybe put on his shoes and imagine what advice you would give in his shoes....Just a thought


he works for a firm that is paid off actual performance, not pre investment sales charges. so advice liek this could actually cost him .

My bad. I misread your post.


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It's awful to give people money to help them weather a once in a century storm, but we should definitely give money to irresponsible business owners to bail them out every decade.


No person deserves to make more money to stay at home than they would working at their job. Unemployment compensation was designed to be a HELP measure to get people through downturns to the economy. Some people have thrived on what it became and this addition $600/week is totally asinine. It is going to be a real mess when the laid off folks are going to be told to go back to work again. Many will not be agreeable to that.


Big business doesn't deserve trillion dollar bailouts every decade, but we're here. Here with you bitching about an insignificant amount that only the absolute lowest wage earners who have been laid off will benefit from for 4 months at most. As always, you're focusing on the wrong people.

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Nas wrote:
It's awful to give people money to help them weather a once in a century storm, but we should definitely give money to irresponsible business owners to bail them out every decade.


No person deserves to make more money to stay at home than they would working at their job. Unemployment compensation was designed to be a HELP measure to get people through downturns to the economy. Some people have thrived on what it became and this addition $600/week is totally asinine. It is going to be a real mess when the laid off folks are going to be told to go back to work again. Many will not be agreeable to that.


Big business doesn't deserve trillion dollar bailouts every decade, but we're here. Here with you bitching about an insignificant amount that only the absolute lowest wage earners who have been laid off will benefit from for 4 months at most. As always, you're focusing on the wrong people.



How many people do the irresponsible business owner employ ?

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Nas wrote:
It's awful to give people money to help them weather a once in a century storm, but we should definitely give money to irresponsible business owners to bail them out every decade.


No person deserves to make more money to stay at home than they would working at their job. Unemployment compensation was designed to be a HELP measure to get people through downturns to the economy. Some people have thrived on what it became and this addition $600/week is totally asinine. It is going to be a real mess when the laid off folks are going to be told to go back to work again. Many will not be agreeable to that.


Big business doesn't deserve trillion dollar bailouts every decade, but we're here. Here with you bitching about an insignificant amount that only the absolute lowest wage earners who have been laid off will benefit from for 4 months at most. As always, you're focusing on the wrong people.



How many people do the irresponsible business owner employ ?


Who cares. Responsible business owners will just take their place and business. MANY big businesses who employ thousands of people have gone under for various reasons including being irresponsible. We didn't rush to keep them afloat and their employees went elsewhere. That's how it should work. We clearly aren't trying to keep small businesses afloat right now.

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But a few poor people got an extra $600 for a few months.

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