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Is Homosexuality curable or treatable through therapy?
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If anyone here believes in biology, then you think homosexuality is not unusual, if not normal. Our ancestors fucked anything that could get their rocks off. Just look at dogs. The successful ones fucked women and reproduced. MD and Seacrest should hope for such natural selection. The gays won't pass on their genes. By turning them straight, you are only encouraging gay traits. What a bunch of fags you are.


How much have you had to drink today leash?


A lot, though it shouldn't detract from my point. However, your being nice to me does make me feel somewhat bad for calling you a burrito.

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The bigger question is why do we demonize homosexuality? Why is it inherently wrong? There are a lot of people that do things that I don't want to do. That doesn't mean it is wrong. The answer to that is clearly not "God says so!".


The answer is actually God says so. God says that there is a certain way to live and there is a certain way not to live and that's called sin. Granted homosexuality is a focus because of its thread against the Christian church in America and how the Gay Movement exalts itself to be higher than God and the Bible. It's fundamentally a pride issue in that it says, "God doesn't know what he's talking about and we're going to live our lives the way we want."

Someone says, "I didn't choose to be gay." That's fine. But you do choose to go against God's law by looking at gay porn or engaging in gay relationships. God is also against all men looking at porn and having sex with people they are not married to. There is a long list of behaviors that God is against according to the Bible. It's just that not all people involved in those behaviors are trying to rewrite the Bible and force Christian churches to accept their lifestyle.

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The bigger question is why do we demonize homosexuality? Why is it inherently wrong? There are a lot of people that do things that I don't want to do. That doesn't mean it is wrong. The answer to that is clearly not "God says so!".


The answer is actually God says so. God says that there is a certain way to live and there is a certain way not to live and that's called sin. Granted homosexuality is a focus because of its thread against the Christian church in America and how the Gay Movement exalts itself to be higher than God and the Bible. It's fundamentally a pride issue in that it says, "God doesn't know what he's talking about and we're going to live our lives the way we want."

Someone says, "I didn't choose to be gay." That's fine. But you do choose to go against God's law by looking at gay porn or engaging in gay relationships. God is also against all men looking at porn and having sex with people they are not married to. There is a long list of behaviors that God is against according to the Bible. It's just that not all people involved in those behaviors are trying to rewrite the Bible and force Christian churches to accept their lifestyle.


What if we don't believe in your god?

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Mini Ditka wrote:
The answer is actually God says so. God says that there is a certain way to live and there is a certain way not to live and that's called sin. Granted homosexuality is a focus because of its thread against the Christian church in America and how the Gay Movement exalts itself to be higher than God and the Bible. It's fundamentally a pride issue in that it says, "God doesn't know what he's talking about and we're going to live our lives the way we want."
"God says so" has always been a terrible answer and has caused a lot of hurt and pain in the world and continues to do so in this day. You should have a better reason than that.
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Someone says, "I didn't choose to be gay." That's fine. But you do choose to go against God's law by looking at gay porn or engaging in gay relationships. God is also against all men looking at porn and having sex with people they are not married to. There is a long list of behaviors that God is against according to the Bible. It's just that not all people involved in those behaviors are trying to rewrite the Bible and force Christian churches to accept their lifestyle.
How dare someone think the Christian church should be accepting!

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What if we don't believe in your god?


A) It doesn't make any difference or B) we're in a shit load of trouble. :lol:

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Yes, BRick, that's the point. "God says so" is a universally ignorant answer. It requires no thought, no logic, and no compassion (which is what I thought it was all about).

Here is my question to Mini Ditka (he won't answer but we should force him to):

What if the bible said to exterminate gay people? Would you be for it or against it?

I'll wait for my answer.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The bigger question is why do we demonize homosexuality? Why is it inherently wrong? There are a lot of people that do things that I don't want to do. That doesn't mean it is wrong. The answer to that is clearly not "God says so!".


The answer is actually God says so. God says that there is a certain way to live and there is a certain way not to live and that's called sin. Granted homosexuality is a focus because of its thread against the Christian church in America and how the Gay Movement exalts itself to be higher than God and the Bible. It's fundamentally a pride issue in that it says, "God doesn't know what he's talking about and we're going to live our lives the way we want."

Someone says, "I didn't choose to be gay." That's fine. But you do choose to go against God's law by looking at gay porn or engaging in gay relationships. God is also against all men looking at porn and having sex with people they are not married to. There is a long list of behaviors that God is against according to the Bible. It's just that not all people involved in those behaviors are trying to rewrite the Bible and force Christian churches to accept their lifestyle.


What if we don't believe in your god?



That is what the inquisition is for.


Seriously,Then you are living in sin. By what is said in the Bible as a good Christian I should try and convert you and show you the error of your ways and pray for you to see the truth.

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I have no idea how they work the Bible to make it work for them but I see a lot of Christian churches around the university that have rainbow flags. For what its worth.

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chaspoppcap wrote:
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Mini Ditka wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The bigger question is why do we demonize homosexuality? Why is it inherently wrong? There are a lot of people that do things that I don't want to do. That doesn't mean it is wrong. The answer to that is clearly not "God says so!".


The answer is actually God says so. God says that there is a certain way to live and there is a certain way not to live and that's called sin. Granted homosexuality is a focus because of its thread against the Christian church in America and how the Gay Movement exalts itself to be higher than God and the Bible. It's fundamentally a pride issue in that it says, "God doesn't know what he's talking about and we're going to live our lives the way we want."

Someone says, "I didn't choose to be gay." That's fine. But you do choose to go against God's law by looking at gay porn or engaging in gay relationships. God is also against all men looking at porn and having sex with people they are not married to. There is a long list of behaviors that God is against according to the Bible. It's just that not all people involved in those behaviors are trying to rewrite the Bible and force Christian churches to accept their lifestyle.


What if we don't believe in your god?



That is what the inquisition is for.


Seriously,Then you are living in sin. By what is said in the Bible as a good Christian I should try and convert you and show you the error of your ways and pray for you to see the truth.


You are probably right with that, and I'll take you at you word. My Holy Book says that I should do the same. Where do we stand now?

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I have no idea how they work the Bible to make it work for them but I see a lot of Christian churches around the university that have rainbow flags. For what its worth.


Honestly,they are not being true to the message of the Bible.

Leash,who knows. If more people lived according to the good book this world would be a much nicer place.

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I have no idea how they work the Bible to make it work for them but I see a lot of Christian churches around the university that have rainbow flags. For what its worth.


Honestly,they are not being true to the message of the Bible.

Leash,who knows. If more people lived according to the good book this world would be a much nicer place.


Ahhh... Chas, I see where you are going, and I don't mean this as a personal attack on you...

That could not be further from the truth. It depends which part of the Bible we are talking. Also, no interpretation of the bible means anything. There are 7 billions ways we could interpret it (and counting). Even if the bible were a literal translation of our Constitution, we would still need juries and Judges. That is fact. And that is why we have them.

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Leash,who knows. If more people lived according to the good book this world would be a much nicer place.


So true.

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I have no problem with the majority of homosexual people,I do have a problem with the in your face shit. The extroverted flamboyant rub my nose in it and I need to accept their lifestyle stuff.


That is code for "I hate gay people".

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Are there still a lot of people that believe we should live our lives completely by the Bible? Which one? Why not the other?

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I have no idea how they work the Bible to make it work for them but I see a lot of Christian churches around the university that have rainbow flags. For what its worth.


Honestly,they are not being true to the message of the Bible.

Leash,who knows. If more people lived according to the good book this world would be a much nicer place.


Ahhh... Chas, I see where you are going, and I don't mean this as a personal attack on you...

That could not be further from the truth. It depends which part of the Bible we are talking. Also, no interpretation of the bible means anything. There are 7 billions ways we could interpret it (and counting). Even if the bible were a literal translation of our Constitution, we would still need juries and Judges. That is fact. And that is why we have them.


No just follow the 2 commandments that Christ said where the greatest,1)Love God with all your heart mind and soul,2)Just as important-love your neighbor as yourself. Seems to be a really simple thing,no? I know I don't always live up to the standard but I try.

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Yes, BRick, that's the point. "God says so" is a universally ignorant answer. It requires no thought, no logic, and no compassion (which is what I thought it was all about).

Here is my question to Mini Ditka (he won't answer but we should force him to):

What if the bible said to exterminate gay people? Would you be for it or against it?

I'll wait for my answer.


I don't think God wants us to hate anyone. But the Bible calls the homosexual lifestyle idolatry. Idolatry is incompatible with worship of the true God. The church is open to sinners who want to repent and follow Christ. It's not about making people feel comfortable about their immoral sexuality. The message of Christ is always, "Go and sin no more." The Gay Movement wants God's blessing on their lifestyle. They can rewrite/reinterpret the Bible all they want and kill all the Christians who stand in their if it comes to that one day, but God will never bless what he calls "sin."

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I have no idea how they work the Bible to make it work for them but I see a lot of Christian churches around the university that have rainbow flags. For what its worth.


Honestly,they are not being true to the message of the Bible.

Leash,who knows. If more people lived according to the good book this world would be a much nicer place.


Ahhh... Chas, I see where you are going, and I don't mean this as a personal attack on you...

That could not be further from the truth. It depends which part of the Bible we are talking. Also, no interpretation of the bible means anything. There are 7 billions ways we could interpret it (and counting). Even if the bible were a literal translation of our Constitution, we would still need juries and Judges. That is fact. And that is why we have them.


No just follow the 2 commandments that Christ said where the greatest,1)Love God with all your heart mind and soul,2)Just as important-love your neighbor as yourself. Seems to be a really simple thing,no? I know I don't always live up to the standard but I try.


That would indeed be great if people would live by those commandments.

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How does anyone know what God will do? The greatest leader of men couldn't figure it out.

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Nas wrote:
How does anyone know what God will do? The greatest leader of men couldn't figure it out.


Ask Seacrest.

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Why do you get to pick those two?

What if my neighbor is a rapist pedophile?

What if I think your "God" is an asshole?

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How does anyone know what God will do? The greatest leader of men couldn't figure it out.


Ask Seacrest.

:D


God doesn't strike me as simple and predictable.



I wasn't calling Seacrest simple or predictable

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Nas wrote:
How does anyone know what God will do? The greatest leader of men couldn't figure it out.


No one knows the mind of God. I do not judge as it is not my right. I can judge based on the laws of man but not Gods. That is his to do. I only hope to be in with the sheep on Judgement Day and not with the goats.

Who would you consider the greatest leader of men?

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Nas wrote:
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How does anyone know what God will do? The greatest leader of men couldn't figure it out.


Ask Seacrest.

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God doesn't strike me as simple and predictable.



I wasn't calling Seacrest simple or predictable


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Why do you get to pick those two?

What if my neighbor is a rapist pedophile?

What if I think your "God" is an asshole?


He means your other neighbor.

Love your god with all your logic and bourbon.

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How does anyone know what God will do? The greatest leader of men couldn't figure it out.


No one knows the mind of God. I do not judge as it is not my right. I can judge based on the laws of man but not Gods. That is his to do. I only hope to be in with the sheep on Judgement Day and not with the goats.

Who would you consider the greatest leader of men?


God needs to do better with self awareness.

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Why do you get to pick those two?

What if my neighbor is a rapist pedophile?

What if I think your "God" is an asshole?


Why those two? Because Jesus said those where the two greatest,as a believer in him then I believe what he says.

Turn him him,let him be judged by the laws of man,then when he dies he has to face the judgement of God.

Then you are a sinner and will have to face his judgement. If I am wrong then I have to face the judgement of whatever god there is,but this is where faith comes in. I have faith in that I am giving my worship and praise to the one true God.

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Why do you get to pick those two?

What if my neighbor is a rapist pedophile?

What if I think your "God" is an asshole?


Why those two? Because Jesus said those where the two greatest,as a believer in him then I believe what he says.

Turn him him,let him be judged by the laws of man,then when he dies he has to face the judgement of God.

Then you are a sinner and will have to face his judgement. If I am wrong then I have to face the judgement of whatever god there is,but this is where faith comes in. I have faith in that I am giving my worship and praise to the one true God.

Many don't like Chas, but this is a very coherent response, relative to the resident evangelicals on this board.

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No just follow the 2 commandments that Christ said where the greatest,1)Love God with all your heart mind and soul,2)Just as important-love your neighbor as yourself. Seems to be a really simple thing,no? I know I don't always live up to the standard but I try.


The problem is supporting the gay movement means not following either commandment.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Why do you get to pick those two?

What if my neighbor is a rapist pedophile?

What if I think your "God" is an asshole?


He means your other neighbor.

Love your god with all your logic and bourbon.


Typical vodka drinker.

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If you have sexual feelings and are attracted to the same sex, so be it. Its how you are.

HOWEVER!

IMO, many of todays youth are fashionably gay. They have over emphasized lisps, love hanging out with the pretty girls, like hanging out with mommy all day.

I just wonder how I grew up and never met a gay male with a lisp and sounded like a female? I went to a HS with 6,000 kids and didnt remember one lisping gay guy. The 2 gay guys we knew of, neither had a lisp.

Bringing it back to the original question, of course no cure exists or is needed for what you are, HOWEVER, I truely question how many young males think they are gay and love living, what they call a persecuted lifestyle.

Went to see my niece ice skate and I see her hugging a boy afterwards who sounded like he was a she, at the ripe old age of 8?

If the lisp is totally natural, so be it, I will admit my mistake on this one, but never seeing it ever growing up , I question if it is Natural or Learned Behavior to ACTING Gay, rather than being gay.

God could be gay, if he even exists, which I doubt anyways

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