Chicago Fanatics Message Board :: View topic

1200 sq feet you're probably looking at more like 2 and a half tons, depending on your insulation and windows and what not.
There's something out there called a Manual J that you can use to determine your exact needs.
I've been having issues with the evaporators on Carriers lately, like the last 3 or 4 years, bad TXV's, leaky coils. They were pretty solid before that and now they're supposed to be better but only time will tell.
Stay away from Goodman and bullshit Nordyne brands. You probably won't go wrong with the big three (carrier, trane and Lennox) and to some degree their off brands (Payne, Bryant, American Standard, Armstrong)
Just get a 13 SEER. They'll try to sell you higher efficiency but my opinion is that the ROI on a higher efficiency over the mid range is longer than the lifespan of the unit. Maybe.

Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough.

312player wrote:

Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough.

No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it

312player wrote:

Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough.

No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it

Darkside wrote:

312player wrote:

Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough.

No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it

I'm just Gona call ya darksidestein from now on .. Thought u two were buddies eh?

If u need a place to buy the condenser n line set without a card..lemme know..@ FAgent

312player wrote:

Darkside wrote:

312player wrote:

Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough.

No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it

I'm just Gona call ya darksidestein from now on .. Thought u two were buddies eh?

If u need a place to buy the condenser n line set without a card..lemme know..@ FAgent

Yeah I'm sure everyone wants a guy whose unlicensed and inexperienced and who cannot legally handle the materials necessary to do the job working on a couple thousand dollars investment. I'm sure he'll also property and legally recover the refrigerant in the old unit and dispose of the old unit safely and legally.

Look if you can find someone to do it 300 go for it

I call guys like you "uncle bob" uncle Bob does a lot of installations. And I have to come back a few months later and fix all uncle bobs errors. Suddenly that 300 install looks weird next to a 1000 repair bill.

I believe my house is roughly 1200 sq ft.

Reclaiming freon is absolutely about global warming.. Who you crapping Darksidestein ?

I don't even own a vacuum pump..i was never a B card or or C card + service guy) the reclaiming of freon is ABSOLUTELY a global warming precaution.. I'm not sure how you could deny it.

I wouldn't claim to be in your league in service ... I'm a fitter- welder.. I've installed miles of pipe for ammonia coolent systems .. I'm not a service guy, I don't own a reclaimer or a vacuum pump..but I do know the EPA requires the refrigeration gas to be reclaimed because its a ozone depletor and causes global warming..

^^^ hogwash.... Just admit I'm right

312player wrote:

Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough.

No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it

Wait a minute, wasn't Free Agent banned for life? Welcome back man!

You're out of your element.

312player wrote:

^^^ hogwash.... Just admit I'm right

You are positively wrong. I mean really wrong. Not like "well... I kinda see what you mean I guess" wrong but "what the fuck are you talking about" wrong.

Tell ya what though. I would love to see you do this install actually. I think it would be extremely profitable for me

Free Ajent wrote:

I believe my house is roughly 1200 sq ft.

That is called a shack.

Darkside wrote:

312player wrote:

^^^ hogwash.... Just admit I'm right

I'm not interested, I've brazed in line sets and had a buddy pull the vacuum.. I have a couple B tanks and turbo torches and many lbs of Silvfloss ... I'm not sure how you can disagree that reclaiming freon isn't directly to limit CFC's and hcfc's that directly contribute to global warming...

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/global-w ... study-says

Wait a minute, wasn't Free Agent banned for life?

Author:	Free Ajent [ Tue May 31, 2016 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:	New AC Unit
I've known that this time would come as my unit is roughly 25yrs old. Which brands are best? I believe my house is roughly 1200 sq ft. I could be wrong but I think I'm looking at a 2 ton unit here, not sure about the Seers though. I upgraded my furnace last February and currently have the Carrier Performance Series. Darkside I'm looking at you! What should I be looking at roughly cost wise here? I have a friend who does side jobs so I'm waiting on his thoughts also, but wanted to get your expertise here.

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
1200 sq feet you're probably looking at more like 2 and a half tons, depending on your insulation and windows and what not. There's something out there called a Manual J that you can use to determine your exact needs. I've been having issues with the evaporators on Carriers lately, like the last 3 or 4 years, bad TXV's, leaky coils. They were pretty solid before that and now they're supposed to be better but only time will tell. Stay away from Goodman and bullshit Nordyne brands. You probably won't go wrong with the big three (carrier, trane and Lennox) and to some degree their off brands (Payne, Bryant, American Standard, Armstrong) Just get a 13 SEER. They'll try to sell you higher efficiency but my opinion is that the ROI on a higher efficiency over the mid range is longer than the lifespan of the unit. Maybe.

Author:	Free Ajent [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Darkside wrote: 1200 sq feet you're probably looking at more like 2 and a half tons, depending on your insulation and windows and what not. There's something out there called a Manual J that you can use to determine your exact needs. I've been having issues with the evaporators on Carriers lately, like the last 3 or 4 years, bad TXV's, leaky coils. They were pretty solid before that and now they're supposed to be better but only time will tell. Stay away from Goodman and bullshit Nordyne brands. You probably won't go wrong with the big three (carrier, trane and Lennox) and to some degree their off brands (Payne, Bryant, American Standard, Armstrong) Just get a 13 SEER. They'll try to sell you higher efficiency but my opinion is that the ROI on a higher efficiency over the mid range is longer than the lifespan of the unit. Maybe. Yea I was just reading about Manual J, obviously you wouldn't be able to tell me without looking at my place but I figured you'd have some thoughts. I appreciate it.

Author:	312player [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough.

Author:	Free Ajent [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough. I think I'm a little too far for him. Like I said I have a buddy who does the installs and can get me the units for cost or if not a little above them.

Chicago Fanatics Message Board https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/

New AC Unit https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=100617	Page 1 of 1

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough. No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Go tankless.

Author:	312player [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough. No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it I'm just Gona call ya darksidestein from now on .. Thought u two were buddies eh? If u need a place to buy the condenser n line set without a card..lemme know..@ FAgent

Author:	Free Ajent [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough. No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it Yea not sure who does that for that cheap!

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough. No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it I'm just Gona call ya darksidestein from now on .. Thought u two were buddies eh? If u need a place to buy the condenser n line set without a card..lemme know..@ FAgent Yeah I'm sure everyone wants a guy whose unlicensed and inexperienced and who cannot legally handle the materials necessary to do the job working on a couple thousand dollars investment. I'm sure he'll also property and legally recover the refrigerant in the old unit and dispose of the old unit safely and legally. Look if you can find someone to do it 300 go for it I call guys like you "uncle bob" uncle Bob does a lot of installations. And I have to come back a few months later and fix all uncle bobs errors. Suddenly that 300 install looks weird next to a 1000 repair bill.

Author:	312player [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough. No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it I'm just Gona call ya darksidestein from now on .. Thought u two were buddies eh? If u need a place to buy the condenser n line set without a card..lemme know..@ FAgent Yeah I'm sure everyone wants a guy whose unlicensed and inexperienced and who cannot legally handle the materials necessary to do the job working on a couple thousand dollars investment. I'm sure he'll also property and legally recover the refrigerant in the old unit and dispose of the old unit safely and legally. Look if you can find someone to do it 300 go for it I call guys like you "uncle bob" uncle Bob does a lot of installations. And I have to come back a few months later and fix all uncle bobs errors. Suddenly that 300 install looks weird next to a 1000 repair bill. Lollllll...the only guy on the board who don't believe in global warming is now concerned about about having a reclaimer for that freon...toooo fuckin funny

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
It's not about global warming, putz. Shows you don't have the first clue what you're talking about. If you're just letting that shit into the air you're a fucking asshole.

Author:	IMU [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Free Ajent wrote: I believe my house is roughly 1200 sq ft. That is called a shack.

Author:	312player [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Reclaiming freon is absolutely about global warming.. Who you crapping Darksidestein ?

Page 1 of 1	All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group https://www.phpbb.com/

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: Reclaiming freon is absolutely about global warming.. Who you crapping Darksidestein ? I guess this is why you didn't get your EPA license. Would you like me to fix your fuck up or shall we just leave it at the fact you don't know what you're talking about?

Author:	312player [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
I don't even own a vacuum pump..i was never a B card or or C card + service guy) the reclaiming of freon is ABSOLUTELY a global warming precaution.. I'm not sure how you could deny it.

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: I don't even own a vacuum pump..i was never a B card or or C card + service guy) the reclaiming of freon is ABSOLUTELY a global warming precaution.. I'm not sure how you could deny it. OK. It's about ozone depletion. While refrigerants do have some global warming potential, as does thousands of other chemicals from water to methane and all points in between, the purpose of the regulations is protection of the ozone layer. 1 atom of chlorine can destroy 100,000 atoms of ozone. Therefore, the chlorine containing refrigerants have been phased out and their recovery is of utmost importance. The new refrigerant is suspected to have some global warming potential, and is thusly included in the recovery and reclamation rules. Dude I'm one of a handful of people who literally aced the epa exam. 100%. You're out of your element.

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Furthermore I'm glad you don't own a vacuum pump. You have no business having one. Stay out of things you don't understand.

Author:	312player [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
I wouldn't claim to be in your league in service ... I'm a fitter- welder.. I've installed miles of pipe for ammonia coolent systems .. I'm not a service guy, I don't own a reclaimer or a vacuum pump..but I do know the EPA requires the refrigeration gas to be reclaimed because its a ozone depletor and causes global warming..

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 7:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: I wouldn't claim to be in your league in service ... I'm a fitter- welder.. I've installed miles of pipe for ammonia coolent systems .. I'm not a service guy, I don't own a reclaimer or a vacuum pump..but I do know the EPA requires the refrigeration gas to be reclaimed because its a ozone depletor and causes global warming.. There is almost nothing in the Montreal protocol about global warming. The law is nearly exclusively about ozone. Really the only mention of global warming is about including hfc's because of the suspected global warming potential. But it's not about global warming. Not by a long shot. Please don't work on anyone's equipment. You'll hurt yourself, your customer, and the planet.

Author:	312player [ Tue May 31, 2016 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
^^^ hogwash.... Just admit I'm right

Author:	Darkside [ Tue May 31, 2016 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: ^^^ hogwash.... Just admit I'm right You are positively wrong. I mean really wrong. Not like "well... I kinda see what you mean I guess" wrong but "what the fuck are you talking about" wrong. Tell ya what though. I would love to see you do this install actually. I think it would be extremely profitable for me

Author:	Chus [ Tue May 31, 2016 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: Buy the condenser, coil, and line set yourself for 1100 and toss dark side a case of beer and 3 hundo to install n pull a vaccum... Save yourself some dough. No thanks. 300 ain't gonna cut it Yeah, no shit.

Author:	Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Tue May 31, 2016 7:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Wait a minute, wasn't Free Agent banned for life? Welcome back man!

Author:	Free Ajent [ Tue May 31, 2016 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: Wait a minute, wasn't Free Agent banned for life? Welcome back man! Something like that. Thanks

Author:	Peoria Matt [ Tue May 31, 2016 8:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Darkside wrote: You're out of your element.

Author:	312player [ Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: ^^^ hogwash.... Just admit I'm right You are positively wrong. I mean really wrong. Not like "well... I kinda see what you mean I guess" wrong but "what the fuck are you talking about" wrong. Tell ya what though. I would love to see you do this install actually. I think it would be extremely profitable for me I'm not interested, I've brazed in line sets and had a buddy pull the vacuum.. I have a couple B tanks and turbo torches and many lbs of Silvfloss ... I'm not sure how you can disagree that reclaiming freon isn't directly to limit CFC's and hcfc's that directly contribute to global warming... https://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/global-w ... study-says

Author:	pittmike [ Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
IMU wrote: Free Ajent wrote: I believe my house is roughly 1200 sq ft. That is called a shack. Or my garage. JK.

Author:	Darkside [ Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
312player wrote: Darkside wrote: 312player wrote: ^^^ hogwash.... Just admit I'm right You are positively wrong. I mean really wrong. Not like "well... I kinda see what you mean I guess" wrong but "what the fuck are you talking about" wrong. Tell ya what though. I would love to see you do this install actually. I think it would be extremely profitable for me I'm not interested, I've brazed in line sets and had a buddy pull the vacuum.. I have a couple B tanks and turbo torches and many lbs of Silvfloss ... I'm not sure how you can disagree that reclaiming freon isn't directly to limit CFC's and hcfc's that directly contribute to global warming... https://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/global-w ... study-says Oh my God. I think we're finished here. I'm done getting trolled.

Author:	Don Tiny [ Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: New AC Unit
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: Wait a minute, wasn't Free Agent banned for life? For Jimmy Van Zant's life, yes.