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Author:  pittmike [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Negative Bonds

Okay, I have to plead ignorance on this subject. I can't grasp why it happens so naturally I never looked into how it works. Why would a country's bond go to 0 or negative interest? Why would anyone or a entity invest money in a vehicle that takes some of your capital and gives you less back?

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/15/us-bond- ... egist.html

Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

The powers that be don't do things like this because "the economy" is doing well.

It means things are bad and the end of the road is in the horizon.

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

SomeGuy wrote:
The powers that be don't do things like this because "the economy" is doing well.

It means things are bad and the end of the road is in the horizon.



But I read here the economy is good and unemployment is down.

Author:  Chus [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

pittmike wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
The powers that be don't do things like this because "the economy" is doing well.

It means things are bad and the end of the road is in the horizon.



But I read here the economy is good and unemployment is down.


Believe whatever you want, but we are in better shape now, than when W left office.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Chus wrote:
pittmike wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
The powers that be don't do things like this because "the economy" is doing well.

It means things are bad and the end of the road is in the horizon.



But I read here the economy is good and unemployment is down.


Believe whatever you want, but we are in better shape now, than when W left office.


He left office right at the start of a terrible recession. Obama is set to leave office right at the beginning of what looks to be a another recession. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Mike, negative bond yields are happening for several reasons. Globally, central banks are buying government bonds in an effort to lower interest rates and spur business investment. They are also targeting overnights rates in parts of Europe and Japan that are negative. Banks and insurance companies have to put excess cash somewhere, and government bonds are considered a safe and liquid form of investment. And lastly, risk based capital rules are such that high rated government bonds do not incur a capital charge. They are taken out of the denominator in the risk weighted asset calculation. Basel rules are forcing banks to hold more capital, so in effect, banks have to hold a certain amount of these bonds.

Author:  City of Fools [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Chus wrote:
pittmike wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
The powers that be don't do things like this because "the economy" is doing well.

It means things are bad and the end of the road is in the horizon.



But I read here the economy is good and unemployment is down.


Believe whatever you want, but we are in better shape now, than when W left office.

I'd love to see the metrics. W was an idiot but manufacturing wise the economy seems the same. Bad.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

City of Fools wrote:
Chus wrote:
pittmike wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
The powers that be don't do things like this because "the economy" is doing well.

It means things are bad and the end of the road is in the horizon.



But I read here the economy is good and unemployment is down.


Believe whatever you want, but we are in better shape now, than when W left office.

I'd love to see the metrics. W was an idiot but manufacturing wise the economy seems the same. Bad.


The metrics will say whatever side you want. Turn on MSNBC and unemployment is low, turn on FOX and the number of active job seekers is the lowest since the late 70s. Nothing has changed. The march to oblivion continues unimpeded.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

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Author:  City of Fools [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Hank Scorpio wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
Chus wrote:
pittmike wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
The powers that be don't do things like this because "the economy" is doing well.

It means things are bad and the end of the road is in the horizon.



But I read here the economy is good and unemployment is down.


Believe whatever you want, but we are in better shape now, than when W left office.

I'd love to see the metrics. W was an idiot but manufacturing wise the economy seems the same. Bad.


The metrics will say whatever side you want. Turn on MSNBC and unemployment is low, turn on FOX and the number of active job seekers is the lowest since the late 70s. Nothing has changed. The march to oblivion continues unimpeded.

ding.

Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

denisdman wrote:
Mike, negative bond yields are happening for several reasons. Globally, central banks are buying government bonds in an effort to lower interest rates and spur business investment. They are also targeting overnights rates in parts of Europe and Japan that are negative. Banks and insurance companies have to put excess cash somewhere, and government bonds are considered a safe and liquid form of investment. And lastly, risk based capital rules are such that high rated government bonds do not incur a capital charge. They are taken out of the denominator in the risk weighted asset calculation. Basel rules are forcing banks to hold more capital, so in effect, banks have to hold a certain amount of these bonds.


I don't think anybody wanted the real answer, denis.

Author:  Nas [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Mike, negative bond yields are happening for several reasons. Globally, central banks are buying government bonds in an effort to lower interest rates and spur business investment. They are also targeting overnights rates in parts of Europe and Japan that are negative. Banks and insurance companies have to put excess cash somewhere, and government bonds are considered a safe and liquid form of investment. And lastly, risk based capital rules are such that high rated government bonds do not incur a capital charge. They are taken out of the denominator in the risk weighted asset calculation. Basel rules are forcing banks to hold more capital, so in effect, banks have to hold a certain amount of these bonds.


I don't think anybody wanted the real answer, denis.


#ThanksObama

Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

MAKE BONDS GREAT AGAIN!

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Well technically they are Ken because low yields mean higher prices....

Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

See. It only took me 3 minutes.

#Ken2016

Author:  good dolphin [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Mike, negative bond yields are happening for several reasons. Globally, central banks are buying government bonds in an effort to lower interest rates and spur business investment. They are also targeting overnights rates in parts of Europe and Japan that are negative. Banks and insurance companies have to put excess cash somewhere, and government bonds are considered a safe and liquid form of investment. And lastly, risk based capital rules are such that high rated government bonds do not incur a capital charge. They are taken out of the denominator in the risk weighted asset calculation. Basel rules are forcing banks to hold more capital, so in effect, banks have to hold a certain amount of these bonds.


I don't think anybody wanted the real answer, denis.

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Author:  pittmike [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Mike, negative bond yields are happening for several reasons. Globally, central banks are buying government bonds in an effort to lower interest rates and spur business investment. They are also targeting overnights rates in parts of Europe and Japan that are negative. Banks and insurance companies have to put excess cash somewhere, and government bonds are considered a safe and liquid form of investment. And lastly, risk based capital rules are such that high rated government bonds do not incur a capital charge. They are taken out of the denominator in the risk weighted asset calculation. Basel rules are forcing banks to hold more capital, so in effect, banks have to hold a certain amount of these bonds.


I don't think anybody wanted the real answer, denis.



Yes I did and thanks Dennis.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Negative Bonds

I love Dman but I didnt understand a word he said. I'm also poor and stupid so that could be the real reason.

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