So I hear they're sitting in some protest here... cool.
What are the proposed reforms? I'm not hearing specifics on the news.

Virtually the same as Republicans. Another useless political stunt.

That's not what your mother said, Trebeck.

Well what are we trying to get done? It's all quite vague.
Tell ya what... I'd like to see...

Tighter background checks.
Background checks at shows.
Mandatory training.

Things that are useless...

Magazine size restrictions.
Serial numbers on ammunition.
Leashyourkids

Preventing people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns right away. Dems want the wait to be a couple of months and Republicans say 3 days. Both are full of shit as usual.

Ah yes, the "Watch List" being used to prevent the buying of guns. A list that no one can seem to explain, can't explain the criteria for being put on it and certainly can't explain what the "petitioning" of the federal govt actually entails. From what I've read the list is filled with people who shouldn't be on it either.

So, why are we going to eliminate due process for people via the "Watch List?" Seems like a stupid and short sighted idea pushed by big govt fascists.

I see it both ways. If you can't fly on a plane you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. That being said the government needs to be able to provide evidence to a judge. People have the ability to get off the no fly list now.

Hold on here, slick.
One is a constitutional right, one is not. Not the same thing. Kinda sad in a way, but true. You can take someone's driver's license but not their right to own a weapon. Weird laws, huh?

Why can't someone fly on a plane? How do you get off the list? That hasn't been explained, DHS looked lost at the recent hearings.

This is a terrible idea. Let's not move in the direction of tying the elimination of due process to some esoteric list that, apparently, anyone can be put on. In fact, let's not move in the direction of eliminating due process at all.

Treat it like getting licensed for a car or something.

JMO


I own multiple firearms, but there is no reason to own these AR15s or anything like them. Home defense should be a shotgun or a handgun. Someone on a no-fly list or a watch list should not be able to purchase a fire arm. These gun shows need to be regulated as well as private sales of guns. I have a friend who sells privately and he really doesn't check anything.

Hold on here, slick.
One is a constitutional right, one is not. Not the same thing. Kinda sad in a way, but true. You can take someone's driver's license but not their right to own a weapon. Weird laws, huh?

I agree with the AR15 thing. I agree with your home defense points. Excellent points.
I would disagree with the no fly list as there is no due process that would result in you losing a constitutional right.
Right now in Illinois, you lose your FOID if you are simply accused of a domestic violence incident. Two things, no due process and also I believe that results in people not reporting domestic violence in fear of losing an important right.

I agree with the AR15 thing. I agree with your home defense points. Excellent points.
I would disagree with the no fly list as there is no due process that would result in you losing a constitutional right.
Right now in Illinois, you lose your FOID if you are simply accused of a domestic violence incident. Two things, no due process and also I believe that results in people not reporting domestic violence in fear of losing an important right.

Being told to wait isn't taking away that right.

Interstate travel is recognized by the courts as a constitutional right and the no-fly list process itself was ruled unconstitutional in 2014. That's why the Republicans are just as full of shit on this as the Democrats since they had no problem at all with the arbitrary and opaque no-fly lists up until this point.

I think I would agree. I figured if you were on the no fly, there was some evidence. I would NEVER give up my firearms under any circumstance. You have the right to have fire arms per the constitution.

And why would anyone want to own an AR-15 for home defense? If you miss you'll risk hitting Ed from down the block! I would own one because I want to own one.

Im not talking about being told to wait at all. I'm referring to the point made that "Someone on a no flly or watch list should not be able to purchase a firearm"

I'm not sure how you get on the no fly list exactly. It's odd. I would say that if you have not been convicted of a crime you shouldn't lose your rights. Now... if you're on the no fly list and you need to wait an extra 14-90 days or more to be fully vetted by the Effa Bee Eye or whomever then I'm cool as a moose with that. I'd be against a straight up denial.

They're telling them to wait longer. Republicans say 3 days and Democrats say 3 months. Either way this won't stop many attacks. It wouldn't have even stopped Orlando because he wasn't on a list.

We're in agreement then.

Did you see Neil Steinberg wanted to show how "easy" it is to get a gun and went to a gun shop in Des Plaines all smug and gun grabby. He filled out the paperwork and they denied him the gun because he has a record as a drunk and a wifebeater.