Terry's Peeps wrote:
RFDC wrote:
How do you erroneously make a statement saying he was killed by the police??
You do updates on the Score?
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
100 more people have been killed in Chicago this year in comparison to this time last year. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oFVdo3f_sg. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
http://www.city-journal.org/html/chicag ... 14605.html Cop slanted view towards current problems. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Well this paragraph certainly was interesting. "Felicia Moore, a wiry middle-aged woman with tattoos on her face and the ravaged frame of a former drug addict, is standing inside a Polish sausage joint on Chicago’s South Side at 10 PM. Asked about crime, she responds: “I’ve been in Chicago all my life. It’s never been this bad. Mothers and grandchildren are scared to come out on their porch; if you see more than five or six niggas walking together, you gotta run.” The violence claimed her only son last year, she says, just as he was being drafted by the Atlanta Hawks. Moore is engaging in some revisionist history: her son, Jeremiah Moore, was, in fact, killed with a shot to his head—but in 2013, a little over a year after he was released from prison for shooting a mother at a bus stop; the Atlanta Hawks don’t enter into it." |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
I've never heard of a fast food stand being referred to as a Polish sausage joint. Is this a hipster thing like the fight over the nomenclature of places that sell packaged liquor and on site consumption? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
long time guy wrote: 100 more people have been killed in Chicago this year in comparison to this time last year. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oFVdo3f_sg. Where we're you the last few years? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: 100 more people have been killed in Chicago this year in comparison to this time last year. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oFVdo3f_sg. Where we're you the last few years? I don't know how the question relates to the article. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
long time guy wrote: Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: 100 more people have been killed in Chicago this year in comparison to this time last year. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oFVdo3f_sg. Where we're you the last few years? I don't know how the question relates to the article. The numbers are up year over year but they had been at historic lows before now. Even with the surge they're still substantially lower than the 90's. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: 100 more people have been killed in Chicago this year in comparison to this time last year. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oFVdo3f_sg. Where we're you the last few years? I don't know how the question relates to the article. The numbers are up year over year but they had been at historic lows before now. Even with the surge they're still substantially lower than the 90's. They are climbing. Chicago's population is down since the 90's too. I'm not arguing whether Chicago is more violent than it was in 1990. In terms of demographics it begs the question of why does a city that has 32% Black and 32% White (excluding hispanics) have a murder rate that is disproportionately black? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
long time guy wrote: Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: 100 more people have been killed in Chicago this year in comparison to this time last year. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oFVdo3f_sg. Where we're you the last few years? I don't know how the question relates to the article. The numbers are up year over year but they had been at historic lows before now. Even with the surge they're still substantially lower than the 90's. They are climbing. Chicago's population is down since the 90's too. I'm not arguing whether Chicago is more violent than it was in 1990. In terms of demographics it begs the question of why does a city that has 32% Black and 32% White (excluding hispanics) have a murder rate that is disproportionately black? Fair enough. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
long time guy wrote: Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: 100 more people have been killed in Chicago this year in comparison to this time last year. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oFVdo3f_sg. Where we're you the last few years? I don't know how the question relates to the article. The numbers are up year over year but they had been at historic lows before now. Even with the surge they're still substantially lower than the 90's. They are climbing. Chicago's population is down since the 90's too. I'm not arguing whether Chicago is more violent than it was in 1990. In terms of demographics it begs the question of why does a city that has 32% Black and 32% White (excluding hispanics) have a murder rate that is disproportionately black? A whole slew of reasons, but the flippant liberal would simply say "institutionalized racism". |
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| Author: | formerlyknownas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
conns7901 wrote: http://www.city-journal.org/html/chicago-brink-14605.html Cop slanted view towards current problems. Heather MacDonald has been doing the rounds on conservative radio (Limbaugh) and tv (O'Reilly) in the past week. I guess it makes sense, given the shootings of police officers. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
This is a kid/young adult that I remember watching play in high school. Also saw him in play last summer in a few pro-ams. He was gunned down yesterday on Chicago's West Side. Actually killed not too far from the alderman's office. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 01xHvqpaZg. Shortly after he was killed his family erroneously provided a statement which said he was killed by police. This led to a community protest in the area where he was killed. https://t.co/dakZZsYwpS |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.I believe Irish Boy posted a study that said parenting doesn't really matter. |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.I believe Irish Boy posted a study that said parenting doesn't really matter. i'd like to read this |
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| Author: | formerlyknownas [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.I believe Irish Boy posted a study that said parenting doesn't really matter. That's nowhere near generally agreed upon, though (that peers and environment or genes matter more than parenting). Judith Harris has been criticized by many in her own field. So this is not a fact, though it's certainly interesting. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
How do you erroneously make a statement saying he was killed by the police?? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
In general though, what we consider "poor parenting" is pretty much just a lack of resources outside of the standard things like addiction which is pretty standard across the board. It's hard to be an involved parent when you work two jobs or can't afford to take them to museums or if you are constantly fighting to not have your kids join a gang instead of worrying about math scores. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
formerlyknownas wrote: Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.I believe Irish Boy posted a study that said parenting doesn't really matter. That's nowhere near generally agreed upon, though (that peers and environment or genes matter more than parenting). Judith Harris has been criticized by many in her own field. So this is not a fact, though it's certainly interesting. The study he posted had more to do with genetics. It concluded that the effect of parenting accounted for about 10% |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Nas wrote: The study he posted had more to do with genetics. It concluded that the effect of parenting accounted for about 10% It also had a lot to do with environment like the group of friends you have.
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: The study he posted had more to do with genetics. It concluded that the effect of parenting accounted for about 10% It also had a lot to do with environment like the group of friends you have.Correct |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
RFDC wrote: How do you erroneously make a statement saying he was killed by the police?? Because it would receive far more attention if it were labeled as a cop killing as opposed to black on black crime. This is far more detrimental to the black community as a whole yet cop killing supersedes black on black crime in terms of priority.
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
RFDC wrote: How do you erroneously make a statement saying he was killed by the police?? You do updates on the Score? |
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| Author: | formerlyknownas [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Nas wrote: formerlyknownas wrote: Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.I believe Irish Boy posted a study that said parenting doesn't really matter. That's nowhere near generally agreed upon, though (that peers and environment or genes matter more than parenting). Judith Harris has been criticized by many in her own field. So this is not a fact, though it's certainly interesting. The study he posted had more to do with genetics. It concluded that the effect of parenting accounted for about 10% Definitely--and that's extremely controversial and definitely not regarded as a fact. There's something to it, though....right? Seems that way. I guess it doesn't quite square with people who believe we are shaped by various forms of (unearned) privilege, but both could be factors at the same time...among many other things, some of which we just aren't aware of. In spite of all this, anyone who uses the blanket claim that parenting "doesn't matter" is probably politically motivated or overly impressed with himself or herself. I think that's the dumbed-down version of these ideas....which is dangerous. I doubt anyone here really believes that apart from the most libertarian folks. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Terry's Peeps wrote: RFDC wrote: How do you erroneously make a statement saying he was killed by the police?? You do updates on the Score?
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
RFDC wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: RFDC wrote: How do you erroneously make a statement saying he was killed by the police?? You do updates on the Score? 
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| Author: | DannyB [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
Nas wrote: formerlyknownas wrote: Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.I believe Irish Boy posted a study that said parenting doesn't really matter. That's nowhere near generally agreed upon, though (that peers and environment or genes matter more than parenting). Judith Harris has been criticized by many in her own field. So this is not a fact, though it's certainly interesting. The study he posted had more to do with genetics. It concluded that the effect of parenting accounted for about 10% This one might be about 12.5% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXLWFAbB64g |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
The studies that Ive read over the years have been able to find little difference in outcome between single parent and 2 parent households. Quality of parenting appears to be the single biggest indicator. It's so difficult to ascertain exactly what that means but you sort of know it when you see it. In high poverty areas adolescent and teenage children are in a lot respects their own parent. They may not pay bills but they definitely are the ones making decisions in a number of cases. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black on Black homicide: Chicago |
DannyB wrote: Nas wrote: formerlyknownas wrote: Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: doesnt it always boil down to parenting? good parenting and typically the kid is more successful in school... grow up with bad or no parenting and you're going to have issues at school and just repeat the cycle. poor education leads to remaining poor and struggling to make money Good or bad parenting is often simply a reflection of economics.I believe Irish Boy posted a study that said parenting doesn't really matter. That's nowhere near generally agreed upon, though (that peers and environment or genes matter more than parenting). Judith Harris has been criticized by many in her own field. So this is not a fact, though it's certainly interesting. The study he posted had more to do with genetics. It concluded that the effect of parenting accounted for about 10% This one might be about 12.5% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXLWFAbB64g She's a fucking idiots and looks like a thot. She did all of that for the camera. |
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