The state spent so much time & money trying to convince the world that they too are the "New South"
, then revert right back to Jesse Helms electing form. As if they couldnt learn the Atlanta moves that came with their "new enlightenment" 
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| Author: | Chus [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | The REAL voter fraud |
Just disgraceful. Federal Appeals Court Rules New North Carolina Voting Laws Intended To Discriminate http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/n ... uit-ruling A three-judge panel of the U.S Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit has found North Carolina's controversial GOP-backed voting restrictions were intended to discriminate against African American voters. The Friday ruling is a huge win for voting rights activists in a closely watched case in a potential 2016 swing state. The appeals court reversed the ruling of a district court siding with the state. "In holding that the legislature did not enact the challenged provisions with discriminatory intent, the court seems to have missed the forest in carefully surveying the many trees," the opinion said. It permanently blocked provisions in a 2013 North Carolina law that required certain photo IDs to vote, limited early voting, eliminated same day registration, ended out-of-precinct voting and prohibited pre-registration of young voters. In the opinion, the panel of judges said that the law restricted voting in ways that "disproportionately affected African Americans" and that its provisions targeted "African Americans with almost surgical precision." It said the state's defense of the law was "meager." "Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the state’s true motivation," the opinion said. It noted that the legislation was passed as African American voter turnout had expanded to almost the rates of whites, and that the legislature enacted the legislation after the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, which had required North Carolina to seek federal approval for changes to its voting policies. The appeals court -- citing a lower court's findings -- pointed out that state lawmakers sought data breaking down voting practices by race. The judges said that the law's provisions singled out the practices disproportionately popular among African Americans, such as preregisteration and provisional voting. "The district court found that not only did SL 2013-381 eliminate or restrict these voting mechanisms used disproportionately by African Americans, and require IDs that African Americans disproportionately lacked, but also that African Americans were more likely to 'experience socioeconomic factors that may hinder their political participation,'" the opinion said. The partially-split appeals court opinion was mostly written by Judge Diana Motz, a Clinton-appointee. She was joined by Judges James Wynn and Henry Floyd, both Obama-appointees. The Obama appointees said in a seperate section of the opinion that no remand down to a lower court to reconsider a remedy for the voter ID requirement of law was necessary, arguing that no remedy would fix the problem that the law was passed with a discriminatory intent. Judge Motz dissented from that section, saying she would have asked for a remand. The appeals court questioned the lower court's decision not finding discriminatory intent. It criticized the lower court for resting that conclusion on the fact the voting practices that Republican lawmakers had prohibited had been enacted by a previous, Democratic-controlled legislature. "Thus, the district court apparently considered SL 2013-381 simply an appropriate means for one party to counter recent success by another party," the appeals court opinion said. "We recognize that elections have consequences, but winning an election does not empower anyone in any party to engage in purposeful racial discrimination." The case was a consolidation of a number of lawsuits challenging the legislation, brought by various civil rights organizations and voter advocacy groups, on behalf of voters. The Department of Justice also participated in the litigation, siding with the challengers. The appeals court declined the request of the challengers to put North Carolina back under "preclearance" -- the requirement for federal approval of voting laws in certain states that was partially dismantled by the Supreme Court in 2013 -- as is allowed by Section 3 of the Voting Rights Act when discriminatory intent is found. The appeals court said the remedy was "rarely used" and "not necessary" in this case. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
The state spent so much time & money trying to convince the world that they too are the "New South" , then revert right back to Jesse Helms electing form. As if they couldnt learn the Atlanta moves that came with their "new enlightenment"
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Look who's back! A good read on voter ID laws nationwide. https://www.propublica.org/article/ever ... er-id-laws |
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| Author: | formerlyknownas [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Seacrest wrote: Look who's back! A good read on voter ID laws nationwide. https://www.propublica.org/article/ever ... er-id-laws thanks for sharing that--I never quite knew what the arguments entailed.... |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
formerlyknownas wrote: Seacrest wrote: Look who's back! A good read on voter ID laws nationwide. https://www.propublica.org/article/ever ... er-id-laws thanks for sharing that--I never quite knew what the arguments entailed.... You are busy, perhaps you didn't notice this...but I'm a giver. |
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| Author: | Franky T [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
I don't like laws that restrict who can vote, and who can run for office, but who the fuck doesn't have an ID card of some sort these days? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Franky T wrote: I don't like laws that restrict who can vote, and who can run for office, but who the fuck doesn't have an ID card of some sort these days? MANY |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
The way I see it, it is much easier to make everyone show ID (heck, give people FREE IDs...) than it is to prevent voter fraud through other means. I don't care what anyone says about voter fraud being non-existent; how in the world would they know? It's not like there is any effective way to check for it. We have a hard enough time counting the votes. Are you telling me that someone can cross check each vote and verify the identity of the voter? I guess I'm pissed at both sides. Clearly the Republicans believe that ID laws will suppress votes. But I also can't stand hearing that hundreds of thousands of people refuse to get an ID. That's simply unacceptable in today's society, except in the most extreme circumstances. |
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| Author: | Scooter [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
ID should be a requirement of citizenship and produced at every election as proof of residency. No question about this in my opinion. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
The nominees are all frauds. Who cares if the voters are too? |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Big Chicagoan wrote: The nominees are all frauds. Who cares if the voters are too? Well, there it is...close the thread... |
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| Author: | Chus [ Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
The GOP loves the Constitution and freedom, except when they don't. But hey, Obama is president, so racism is over. http://www.salon.com/2016/10/06/report- ... rt-ruling/ It is still happening in other states, as well. Murica! http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/voter-r ... undermined Where are all of the conservatives who told me I was crazy for suggesting that the GOP is trying to suppress minority voters? |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
RANDOM THOUGHT: if chus and chas did some sort of a saiyan fusion dance you'd figure that the resulting entity would be named "chuspoopcup" (for the few minutes that it's alive before it kills itself anyways =) and that got me to thinking, if there was such a thing as a "chuspoopcup" how and where could it possibly exist? well obviously the "where" is, duh, a grateful dead show parking lot back in the day. the "how" ?= i'm not going to deprive you of learning just why everyone needs to experience a dead/phish show parking lot at least once in their life. let's just say that at the time the group consensus was that it was a truly revolutionary idea that centuries of suppression and closed-mindedness had deprived us of! #ItsAllLoveMan. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. No. Illegal immigrants and dead people should be allowed to vote. It's totally fine so ad long as it's for "your guy!" |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. That's what Indiana does. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Hank Scorpio wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. That's what Indiana does. That's why Mike Pence should be on top of the ticket. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. That's what Indiana does. That's why Mike Pence should be on top of the ticket. That was a Mitch Daniels move. He was a fantastic governor. |
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| Author: | Baby McNown [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. This. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. The clothes you have to wear when you go vote cost money. Is requiring someone to wear clothes when they go vote also a poll tax? |
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| Author: | chaspoppcap [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. Most states have means where you can get a free ID if you do not have the money for it. It just takes some time and effort on your part. It is a BS excuse that they can not take the time to get the free ID. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Hank Scorpio wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. That's what Indiana does. That's why Mike Pence should be on top of the ticket. That was a Mitch Daniels move. He was a fantastic governor. He was socially awkward too. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Darkside wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. The clothes you have to wear when you go vote cost money. Is requiring someone to wear clothes when they go vote also a poll tax? Clothes can be free and they are seen as a need. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Baby McNown wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: I don't get why showing an ID is so controversial. This isn't a poll tax, it isn't some bullshit Jim Crow test. You are just showing a picture ID that says you are who you say you are. If the ID costs money, it can be considered a poll tax. Make the ID free and then everyone shut up. This. That's the problem. Everyone would shut up and it would stop being, yet another, decisive issue to agitate the peons up with. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Chus wrote: Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles. I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Darkside wrote: Chus wrote: Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles. I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism. What about restricting early voting, which is more common practice with minorities? Or making it harder to obtain an ID in poorer, black areas by shutting down the very buildings where they are supposed to obtain IDs? All of these practices were deemed to have "targeted African Americans with almost surgical precision." by an Appeals Court, but North Carolina is saying fuck it, we're doing it anyway. And you don't have a problem with this? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Darkside wrote: Chus wrote: Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles. I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism. When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The REAL voter fraud |
Nas wrote: Darkside wrote: Chus wrote: Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles. I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism. When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican. Historically? I guess I always thought the vast majority of votes would be cast on election day. How long is the history on early voting? I thought until fairly recently it was reserved for servicemen overseas and what not? Is this something that goes back historically like 100 years or something? |
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