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Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Found myself glancing at the vaguely Kubrickian tunnels of the Washington Metro and felt a pang of jealousy at the whole thing vis-a-vis the often shoddy piecemeal nature of the L. Still, the L remains affordable (the Subway is up to $2.75 now, I thought it was our usual $2.25 when I was in New York for a couple hours and thought the machine screwed me) and covers most of the city, save for the south side stuck with the Metra Electric, which a homeless guy has been lobbying to convert to rapid transit, so far to no avail. Still need that United Center Pink Line stop, though.

With all due respect to Julie DiCaro's nonstop parade of misadventures, I think Metra as a system is pretty great at covering the whole metro area and generally not running TOO late. I suppose the only real design flaw is that nine of the lines terminate outside the Loop, but we're dealing with infrastructure that's like 125 years old, so it's a little late to do anything about that now.

Obviously there's no comparison with greater New York as a whole (Subway + PATH tubes + LIRR + Metro-North + NJT), but I should like to think Chicago has the edge over Philly, Boston, and DC in terms of rail systems. It's probably a good investment just in case self-driving cars don't work out.

Author:  spmack [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Chicago is good, but can be much better. We need a Brown Line extension to Jefferson Park, and at the very least, a Red Line extension to the Pullman shopping center on 111th/Cottage Grove. All of that money that they are using to rebuild the 95th Station could have gone towards that.

Curious Hair, did you see how they used old roofing from the abandoned California Congress Blue Line stop to patch up the IMD stop that was damaged in the lighting storm about 2 months ago?

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

I didn't see that, but I saw the lightning that fucked that stop up. I didn't even know California had a stop on that end of the Blue Line. I've never taken it. The Red Line does need to be longer. I can't really conceptualize a Brown Line extension. Is there anywhere to put it?

Metra was going to build a Southeast Line that ran from La Salle Station to Balmoral Park, but I'm guessing that's on the shelf, especially now that there's no more Balmoral Park.

Author:  Brick [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

The suburban lines are horrible unless you are commuting to and from work downtown during the week which is the only reason they exist anyways. I grew up close to a station but not within walking distance of it and literally every place I ever wanted to go in Chicago was going to take double the time it would have taken if I just drove instead. This includes the airports, every stadium, and any museum. Rush hour obviously changes the equation but even then it basically balanced out most of the time with obviously more hassle.

If you live on the red or blue line or live in the loop then it is a great system.

Author:  spmack [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Serious CTA nerd mode on:

For Curious Hair:

http://www.chicago-l.org/stations/calif ... gress.html

Quote:
The metal supports and aluminum framing of the canopy and side walls on the ramp between the station house and platform were removed in August 2016, salvaged to repair the Paulina entrance ramp at the Illinois Medical District station a mile east, which was damaged in a series of violent storms struck the Chicago area on Sunday evening July 24, 2016. This left only the concrete base of the ramp structure at California.


For some reason, they never completely tore down the abandoned Congress line Blue line stops...just closed them. California is still up, as well as Karlov, Kostner, Lavergne, and Central. In a bid to try to get the Obama Library on the West Side, there was a thought out there to reopen Kostner.


I'm not sure how it would work on the Brown Line extension, but someone made a rendition of it. Lawrence would be jacked up though.


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Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Speaking of Jefferson Park, as a patron of the Northwest Line, it seems like a pretty glaring flaw not to have every train stop at a major transfer point between systems. I mean, that's what they built the station for and everything. If you're going to skip a city stop, skip Clybourn. It's weird and gross.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

I use the BART when I go to San Fran. It's pretty run down, but works great getting from SFO to downtown. I just used Marta in Atlanta this summer for my Cubs game. Those trains broke down a lot.

Author:  Hussra [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Boston has about 1/4th Chicago's population but their T system has almost as many daily riders as the El.

DC's public transit use exceeds it's population. 1/4th the population of Chicago. but over 800,000 daily riders in a city of 600K. Chicago has about 700,000 daily riders on the El, for a population of over 2.5 million. no idea about the Metra's usage. (quick google, Metra adds about another 200K daily rides to Chicago's total).

Chicago would need to have 2 million+ daily riders to match those cities public transit use rate per pop. Or 3 million to match DC.

DC doesn't have commuter trains. the Metro just keeps going out into exurbs. Out past Rockville even. They were talking about running it way the fuck down by Fredericksburg in Virginia at one point. which would be insane.

Currently amtrak takes up the commuter rail role for folks out in Fredericksburg and Joe Biden to the North.

within the metro area, DC does a good job running express buses/bus lanes during rush hours. and the Avenues (Connecticut, Wisconsin, the NW avenues) swap a lane in each direction during rush hours. Freaky first time you drive it. but even those aren't enough. so folks around DC resort to hitchhiking for their daily commutes:

http://www.slug-lines.com/Slugging/About_slugging.asp

helps that a lot of people heading in from the Virginia burbs for work in DC all work at the same few places/areas. Hold up a sign at a suburban bus stop that says "PENTAGON" or "FOGGY BOTTOM [state dept, GWU etc]" or "UNION STATION {capitol hill }" and if someone is headed that way, they'll pull over and let you in. if they were driving solo, they now get to use the HOV lane.

Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

The London Underground is fantastic.

Other than that...I would never, ever board a train in the U.S. I'm far too wealth for that.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

My favorite train system is the Metro in Paris. Instead of a hub and spoke system, it has more direct routes.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

SomeGuy wrote:
The London Underground is fantastic.


Mind the Gap!

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

The Montreal Metro/Underground City looks pretty awesome. Meanwhile, the Pedway here is just dark hallways with homeless people.

Author:  Seacrest [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

spmack wrote:
Chicago is good, but can be much better. We need a Brown Line extension to Jefferson Park, and at the very least, a Red Line extension to the Pullman shopping center on 111th/Cottage Grove. All of that money that they are using to rebuild the 95th Station could have gone towards that.

Curious Hair, did you see how they used old roofing from the abandoned California Congress Blue Line stop to patch up the IMD stop that was damaged in the lighting storm about 2 months ago?


Why does the Brown line need to go where the Blue line does already?

Author:  Hatchetman [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Tokyo is best I've seen, but Metra is pretty cool for what it is. the L is filthy and crime ridden. people piss in there. Jeepers. It's an adventure.

Author:  Douchebag [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Curious Hair wrote:
The Montreal Metro/Underground City looks pretty awesome.

Yep, it is awesome. Massive, clean, and fun to explore.

Author:  Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Douchebag wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
The Montreal Metro/Underground City looks pretty awesome.

Yep, it is awesome. Massive, clean, and fun to explore.


Yeah, but then you have to go to Montreal.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Seacrest wrote:
spmack wrote:
Chicago is good, but can be much better. We need a Brown Line extension to Jefferson Park, and at the very least, a Red Line extension to the Pullman shopping center on 111th/Cottage Grove. All of that money that they are using to rebuild the 95th Station could have gone towards that.

Curious Hair, did you see how they used old roofing from the abandoned California Congress Blue Line stop to patch up the IMD stop that was damaged in the lighting storm about 2 months ago?


Why does the Brown line need to go where the Blue line does already?


That's what she said.

Author:  America [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

The L never stops. London, DC, Paris, Tokyo, Boston...none of them can claim that. Only Chicago, NYC, Copenhagen and Vienna have true 24/7/365 rapid transit systems. So Chicago has that going for it!

Traffic has gotten so bad now they need to start rethinking the way the transit system is set up. The PM rush lasts from 3 to 9. You'll get jammed up from Armitage into the Loop on the Kennedy at midnight. Driving is becoming less and less a viable option.

Author:  newper [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Better than BART... http://www.govtech.com/fs/Once-a-Ground ... to-Be.html

Author:  Douchebag [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
The Montreal Metro/Underground City looks pretty awesome.

Yep, it is awesome. Massive, clean, and fun to explore.


Yeah, but then you have to go to Montreal.

What? Montreal is a great city.

Author:  Hussra [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Chicago traffic eases up going forward, people are fleeing Chicago like a West Virginia coal-town after the coal-mine shuts down. Not a good thing when West Virginia is sitting next to you at any sort of economic trend roll call:

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Author:  TurdFerguson [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Douchebag wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
The Montreal Metro/Underground City looks pretty awesome.

Yep, it is awesome. Massive, clean, and fun to explore.


Isn't this a spmack quote?

Author:  Drake LaRrieta [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

The train is the fastest way to get in and out of the city if you live in the suburbs and you work in the city. The El is the fastest way to get around the city when it's busy. The problem though is sometimes there are shady people who take the train or the El. Drunk people, homeless people or people who may want to mug you. You may be better off rolling the dice with an Uber driver that riding the El during certain hours. The Metra is a little better than the El, but it can also have its share of weirdos depending on when you travel.

I don't know how the El stacks up with other cities, but it seems like Chicago is the city that's always talking about how the CTA is broke.

Author:  312player [ Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

spmack wrote:
Chicago is good, but can be much better. We need a Brown Line extension to Jefferson Park, and at the very least, a Red Line extension to the Pullman shopping center on 111th/Cottage Grove. All of that money that they are using to rebuild the 95th Station could have gone towards that.

Curious Hair, did you see how they used old roofing from the abandoned California Congress Blue Line stop to patch up the IMD stop that was damaged in the lighting storm about 2 months ago?






I've always felt the redline should run down 95th street to western and run down western to blue island.

Author:  sinicalypse [ Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Curious Hair wrote:
I didn't even know California had a stop on that end of the Blue Line. I've never taken it.


you need to either start getting arrested in the city (more often? felonious arrests?) or just start bailing people out from the "hotel 26th and california" -- you'll get used to it pretty quick. hell you might even figure out where you can buy a couple'a loose newport longs for $1 between the hotel and the station =D

maybe you're just lucky you haven't gotten assigned jury duty down there @ 26th/california? last time that's where they wanted me to go and that's never something you really wanna do.

altho technically i think the old (54/)"douglas" blue line got changed up to the pink line a few years back, right? [yeah i just looked it up and the pink line took it over in 2008]

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Yeah, but still no Madison/Paulina stop, despite it becoming necessary with new developments eating up all the United Center parking.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

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The CTA is moving forward on plans for the long-discussed extension of the Red Line to 130th Street, which will include a two-month period of public comment.

The next steps are part of a series of requirements before funding can be sought for the project and construction could begin.

But if all goes as the transit agency hopes, the Red Line could run from Howard to 130th as early as 2026, with construction beginning in 2022, according to CTA spokeswoman Tammy Chase. The $2.3 billion project would fill in what activists have called a "transit desert" on the city's Far South Side, as well as suburban Riverdale.

"This is a great opportunity that should have happened 50 years ago, but I'm glad to see it's going to happen now," said Cheryl Johnson, executive director of People for Community Recovery, a nonprofit environmental organization. "Transportation is a major hurdle for people who have to go far north to work and school."

The city has not extended an "L" line since the Orange Line opened in 1993. The proposed 5.3-mile Red Line extension would have four new stations near 103rd Street, 111th Street, Michigan Avenue and 130th Street, and would include bus and parking facilities.

"This will be a transformational project," Chase said.

The CTA plans to publish a draft environmental impact study next Thursday, and then begin a period of public comments through Nov. 30, including a public hearing Nov. 1 at a yet-to-be determined location. The agency also is notifying owners of 248 properties, with 101 residential and 28 commercial buildings, which the CTA may need to acquire for the project, Chase said.

The actual number of properties needed depends on where the CTA will lay the rails. Two years ago, the CTA narrowed the potential Red Line alternatives to one. This proposal would continue the line along I-57 to 99th Street, then run either to the east or the west of the Union Pacific rail tracks to about 118th Street, and then to 130th west of the South Shore line.

The extension is part of the CTA's "Red Ahead" planning for the system's busiest line, which has included the $425 million reconstruction of the Red Line South in 2013, the ongoing construction of the new 95th Street terminal and the Wilson Station renovation.

Based on public feedback, environmental review and funding availability for additional engineering, the CTA plans to announce the preferred option for the extension next year and publish a final environmental impact study in 2018.

The agency could then go after federal and local funds. New legislation passed this summer allows a special taxing district to be created to help pay for the extension, as well as for other major transit projects such as the Red-Purple Line modernization project on the North Side.

The South Side extension was part of the "Go to 2040" plan released in 2010 by the Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning, which is responsible for land-use and transportation planning in the seven-county Chicago area.

Kyle Whitehead of the Active Transportation Alliance, which supports safe walking, biking and transit, said that the extension could save Far South Side residents more than 20 minutes going downtown.

"Altgeld Gardens and the Riverdale area are really isolated in terms of public transportation," said Whitehead, the alliance's government relations director. "It boosts job access and access to things around the city for a community that desperately needs access, and there's also great economic development potential around these stations."

Chase said that the option for the Red Line extension that runs on the east side of the Union Pacific tracks would affect more residential buildings, while the west side option would affect commercial buildings. "You have to look at what the community wants," Chase said.

Johnson said she realizes there will be some "mixed feelings" about the project because of the loss of buildings along the route. But she said the development is "greatly needed," and she hopes the displacement will be fair and equitable.

"We have to look forward to the future, for economic opportunity," Johnson said.

Andrea Reed of the Greater Roseland Chamber of Commerce said she is "glad and forlorn at the same time" at hearing that the project was proceeding — but may not be finished for another 10 years.

"We had hoped for 2016 back when we started talking about this in 2009," said Reed, whose organization also favors turning the Metra Electric District Line into a rapid -transit line, with more frequent stops.

I'd be impressed if they follow through. This would be great.

Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Hussra wrote:
Chicago traffic eases up going forward, people are fleeing Chicago like a West Virginia coal-town after the coal-mine shuts down. Not a good thing when West Virginia is sitting next to you at any sort of economic trend roll call:

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the chicagoland area lost population but the area ringing the loop gained population

The massing of people near the city center and around public transportation (true even in the suburbs) will play a bigger role in cutting traffic than population loss

Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Hussra wrote:
Boston has about 1/4th Chicago's population but their T system has almost as many daily riders as the El.

DC's public transit use exceeds it's population. 1/4th the population of Chicago. but over 800,000 daily riders in a city of 600K. Chicago has about 700,000 daily riders on the El, for a population of over 2.5 million. no idea about the Metra's usage. (quick google, Metra adds about another 200K daily rides to Chicago's total).

Chicago would need to have 2 million+ daily riders to match those cities public transit use rate per pop. Or 3 million to match DC.

DC doesn't have commuter trains. the Metro just keeps going out into exurbs. Out past Rockville even. They were talking about running it way the fuck down by Fredericksburg in Virginia at one point. which would be insane.

Currently amtrak takes up the commuter rail role for folks out in Fredericksburg and Joe Biden to the North.

within the metro area, DC does a good job running express buses/bus lanes during rush hours. and the Avenues (Connecticut, Wisconsin, the NW avenues) swap a lane in each direction during rush hours. Freaky first time you drive it. but even those aren't enough. so folks around DC resort to hitchhiking for their daily commutes:

http://www.slug-lines.com/Slugging/About_slugging.asp

helps that a lot of people heading in from the Virginia burbs for work in DC all work at the same few places/areas. Hold up a sign at a suburban bus stop that says "PENTAGON" or "FOGGY BOTTOM [state dept, GWU etc]" or "UNION STATION {capitol hill }" and if someone is headed that way, they'll pull over and let you in. if they were driving solo, they now get to use the HOV lane.


DC public transportation sucks for anyone who works non traditional hours or who likes to go out at night.

A young good dolphin would find himself in a real pickle after rolling out of the 1819 Club with all his singles gone and no cheap transportation available

Author:  Curious Hair [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do Metra/the L compare to other systems?

Extension to 130th is the right thing to do. I just can't believe how expensive it's going to be.

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